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Lazy effort op, don't do it again
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john123470
articles, multiple. and the fact the school suspended him for his behaviour leads me to believe those articles.
Your standard for proof is that you have read an "article that says that happened" ? So if I link an article which says he was not shouting or physically restrained, will you accept that as a fact ? Or do you only accept that articles which suit your narrative ?
The story has been reported by dozens of outlets, varying language is used to describe the events of that evening. Some mention "questioning loudly". Others don't. There are no quotes or sources for any of it. Mr. Burke disputes claims of a loud interraction.
Absent of any actual evidence, an educated person would conclude that we simply don't know exactly what went down. Anyone claiming definitely that he was shouting and acting in a threatening manner is spreading misinformation.
not forgetting the behaviour of the mother when she was at the WRC.
You didn't even read the article did you?
Whatever your feelings on their beliefs, they generally carry themselves in a quiet, well-spoken and polite manner.
LOL 🤣
Let's drop it because it's going nowhere and we'd end up going round in circles. I just saw that you said you assumed they were afraid and I misread it.
you don't really understand what gender means do you? you seem to keep confusing it with sex. To be honest i think this is deliberate.
So there we have it. The government is denying science with this act.
Its pretty irrelevant as to why I think they may have refused it or what process I think they followed in making their decision.
I never said their decision was made out of fear either
Name one biological difference between a male and a transgender female. Show me the “science”
Nothing I have seen paints the picture of a guy shouting at a teacher and having to be restrained
Nothing except all the articles that say that happened and his subsequent suspension by the school.
it doesn't care about science or biology.
Just did. Makes no mention of science or biology.
You are having difficulty separating his actions from the manner in which he carried them out. The Judge would have no such difficulty as they are generally well-educated.
Whenever we have seen the Burke's protest, they are generally standing quietly by themselves, handing out flyers and things of that nature. They're not frothing and swearing like the Westboro crowd. When they are interviewed they are very well-spoken, they convey their points politely and articulately. This fellow violated the court order, yes, but he did so in an extremely polite way, sitting in an empty classroom.
Nothing I have seen paints the picture of a guy shouting at a teacher and having to be restrained. Therefore absent of evidence as to his conduct that evening, I think it is fair to give him the benefit of the doubt.
But why do you think they would have refused the request or even considered refusing it. Like I said, they're a pretty progressive school. They probably would have been ok with it, with or without the legislation. I think (although I admit I don't KNOW) , that they would have been accommodating to the child.
I just find it unusual that you would automatically assume they did it out of fear.
what reports are contradictory? what reports do not describe it the way it has been described on this thread?
If they had refused the request you can be pretty sure someone somewhere would have screamed 'sexual discrimination' and the Equality Legislation used as a stick to beat the school with regardless of what basis they used to refuse the request
The WRC and the Judge in the subsequent court proceedings would disagree with your description I suspect.
We simply don't know the extent of his interruption, the volume of his voice, whether he had to be physically restrained.
News reports on this matter are contradictory and speculatory. Cherry picking one that suits a narrative is no better than those cherry picking headlines to say he was jailed for misgendering. In time we may learn the events of that evening in more detail.
Based on his past conduct I think it is highly unlikely he was loud or threatening in demeanour. Some have tried to label the Burke's as our equivalent of the Westboro Baptist Church but they are nothing alike in behaviour. Whatever your feelings on their beliefs, they generally carry themselves in a quiet, well-spoken and polite manner.
Whether the other staff were protecting the Principal from him or holding him back, the outcome is the same - He was out of control.
If that was in a pub , the bouncer would be having a word and potentially asking you to leave.
In a workplace setting , that is a suspension and disciplinary hearing every day of the week - Which is exactly what happened to him.
I'm so sorry that you were unable to understand my post.
To a lot of people it would be clear that the words you quoted are not about Wilson's Hospital School or the events that happened there.
But as we're back to the school and its equality agenda, I have to wonder about how much concern they show for those who can't afford their fees.
Only if you didn't study biology, and in particular medicine, beyond secondary school. Hell, I did biology in college 20 years ago and 99% of what I learned in biology would say that there are 2 genders. But even the few years of biology i did, barely scrape the surface of the research that's been done. Large medical organisations recognize that gender isn't necessarily a binary. And science is discovering more and more each day.
https://www.nature.com/articles/518288a
Why do you assume that the school would be afraid of legislation. They probably listened to the parents and child and said "ok". they're a pretty progressive school.
I think the actual description was that the principal had to be “shielded” ie that other colleagues surrounded the principal blocking access by the teacher- a very slight but important difference but I also agree the teachers behaviour was totally inappropriate
But there are other issues here too, serious social, medical, ethical (not religious) and legal issues which as a society we have to sort out.
Nope, he didn't like a decision, threw a tantrum and ended up in jail
He'll want to make it about other things, but the courts, a disciplinary hearing due next week, the Teaching Council etc will only concern themselves with his behavior.
There is no belief under the sun that will excuse his behavior
Plus all of the news reports talk about him having to be "restrained" to prevent him from following her to continue his rant.
If you have to be physically restrained by other people. you are absolutely categorically in the wrong and in a workplace setting that is a disciplinary action without any shadow of doubt.
Interesting- I’m guessing here that his approach is very similar to anyone not engaging with someone in a same sex marriage in a work/employment situation because same sex marriage is against their religious beliefs?
I don’t want to derail the thread btw talking about SSM, but to me, there is no difference- expressing yourself a different gender than you’re born with and same sex marriage are both legal things to do in society- it can’t be grounds for refusing to work with or educate these people. Not calling a person with their correct or preferred pronoun and new name, when you’re a teacher paid to educate that person, is a classic case of bullying and should be dealt with accordingly-imagine doing that to a child? Who would want that teacher teaching their kids when they hold that mindset?
none. take a look at the gender recognition act.
Do they? What test do they use when a John/Jane Doe dies to confirm their gender??
somebody continuing to follow you around and shout questions after being told to stop amount to verbal abuse in my eyes.
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