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Is there any current or past World leader that you have or will celebrate when they die?

AMKC

For me I will happily celebrate when Putin, Trump and Bolsonario all die

They were all terrible or have been terrible leaders. You might ssh why should I care if dies not effect me what they do but it does. Putins war in Ukraine has effected as all.

Trump's measures made the world a worse place and especially America for minority groups and Community's who I am a part off. Bolsonanios disregard for the Amazon effects us all.

So yes these three leaders or former leaders die I will happily celebrate them doing so.

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Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119570234#Comment_119570234

Looks like you might want to book that hike...

Hoop66

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119569664#Comment_119569664

I always preferred this one - saw him do it here at the JFT96 gig with Mick Jones back in 2011 (I think).

Pete Wylie - The Day That Margaret Thatcher Dies - The Lexington, London - November 2016 - YouTube

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119584641#Comment_119584641

Why is it it smug? The question is basically what it is wishing death upon someone, even hypothetically. I just gave my opinion on it and hoped people would reflect on whether it is the correct manner to think about things. However, I understand when couched in the terns of 'world leader' people mentally ignore the human aspect, so it enables them to wish death upon XYZ leader.

In looking at the human aspect and morality of wishing death upon someone, I can understand how this makes some people uncomfortable as it no longer has the psychological distance of just 'world leader'. Which makes people think about their justifications at a human level. Rather than just the political level regardless of their political viewpoint. The only justification I have heard so far about someone wishing a person is dead or is glad that they are dead, is that it makes people feel good about themselves. But I don't think is it is a healthy mindset.

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119581625#Comment_119581625

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119583815#Comment_119583815

See your previous post in which you stated 'climb down off your high horse' which implied to me that I hit a nerve. Hopefully we won't fall out over it. But I certainly wouldn't wish death upon you whether you are a leader of the Zebra nation or simply a horse painted stripey.

[Deleted User]

Yeah the opening post just addresses people here, but then the smug "nO dEaTh ShOuLd Be CeLeBrAtEd" drivel started.

And while I wouldn't be holding parties or having a dance, or showing my glee on social media (I do agree that that's childish), I'll be glad when Trump and Putin die. Why wouldn't I be when two dangerous people like them are no longer here?

Also, your use of "bitter" discredits and undermines those I've described. It's gas-lighting them. They are completely rational.

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119584219#Comment_119584219

I don't think anyone said that they wouldn't understand if someone who's family had been murdered were celebrating. Though that level of bitterness is outside (our) ordinary experience. It is what it is.

The question in the OP was whether boardsies themselves have or will celebrate and the right answer should be 'no'. Really we're just talking about a kind of numbskull TV/internet addiction - political junkies who don't have anything going on in their lives partying by themselves because Ronald Reagan passed away in old age from Alzheimers. Ghoulish.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119583676#Comment_119583676

I acknowledged that it wouldn't be for me when it comes to the likes of Thatcher, Paisley, Bush, Haughey, but I'm talking about people who have suffered/lived in terror under a murderous tyrant (doesn't matter what ideology), lost loved ones to them - and when that tyrant dies, they celebrate. There is nothing wrong with this - it's completely fair. It doesn't make them in any way bad people. The person whose death they're celebrating is the bad person, responsible for many deaths.

Yet there are all these mealy mouthed, weaselish responses to my point. Whatabouting and contrarianism and devil's advocate dishonesty, taking responsibility away from the murderous tyrant. By people living in a safe democracy. No empathy at all.

Zebra3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119581746#Comment_119581746

What nerve do you think you hit upon?

And stop lying about me like you did in the first sentence.

[Deleted User]

If there's Thatcher-esque street parties at the death of Anthony Blair, I will be on the first plane/ferry across the Irish Sea.

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119582009#Comment_119582009

But then some posters have listed famous politicians who weren't genocidal tyrants, showcasing their derangement imo.

Its not a good road to go down in general. Also you can see a partisan filter creeping in. Are the posters who were happy that Pinochet died also happy when socialist revoltuonaries reponsible for thousands or even millions of deaths (Castro, Kaganovich etc.) die? If not, why not? You see in this instance partisanism is even more corrupting than usual, as now left-right biases become a matter of gleefully exulting over dead bodies.

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119576429#Comment_119576429

If someone danced on my family members grave like that loser did, I would make sure they paid for it.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119582079#Comment_119582079

Orange you going to be happy, though?

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119567665#Comment_119567665

The man from Del Monte? He always said yes.

As opposed to the other Orange man Paisley before he died. He always said no.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119581718#Comment_119581718

Absolutely. It is very much holier than thou.

Being glad of the death of a genocidal tyrant = revelling in the misfortune of others? Pure shyte. And so insensitive.

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119581625#Comment_119581625

Sorry if I hit a nerve but you are basically wishing death upon someone regardless of who it is, albeit from behind a computer screen and hypothetically.

And how is that a healthy manner for an individual to feel better about themselves? I would argue it is warped thinking and misdirected energy.

Just my opinion, it does speak of a certain mindset for some to revel in the misfortune of other’s and then some take it to another level and wish or be glad they are dead.

It shows something lacking if not agenda lead it could be allied with deep rooted insecurities.

It probably has something to with a deflection psychological tactic, that someone can blame xyz leader, rejoice in their death, which avoids a person looking at themselves. So they can absolve themselves from fault/blame in general.

Plus in this topic couching such a wish in ‘political terms’ gives such people some pseudo justification in their minds, to be glad such and such is dead, or wishes such and such dies.

Fascinating from a psychological standpoint.

I doubt many on here would say to anyone I wish you would die and mean it?

chrissb8

All this holier-than-thou attitude that to celebrate the death of a person is wrong. If said person has left nothing put a path of destruction, misery, pain and suffering in their wake their death spells the end of all that. So yes, it is absolutely fine to celebrate the death of a horrible odious individual who has been detrimental to the human race.

I'm all for punishment via prison or the law, but let's live in reality, some of the worst of us will never see a day behind bars and death is a fine substitute.

I have no active interest in wishing death to some like the queen etc. just because of what they represent. But people like Trump or Kim Jong-Un? Yeah, good riddance and break out the champagne.

Zebra3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119580536#Comment_119580536

Maybe those who who suffered at the hands of Haughey’s criminality feel better for it.

If they did, then who would I be to judge them for it?

Maybe climb down off your high horse…

EmmetSpiceland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119581180#Comment_119581180

That’s it. Leaders can, certainly, be evil and, in some cases, get personally involved in evil deeds but wouldn’t get anywhere without the support of their advisors, generals and, ultimately, their people.

When I think of evil I think of people who engage in tortuous, and murderous, activities. Like the ones who murdered Suzanne Capper, Shanda Sharer or that awful case of Junko Furuta. People like Beven Spencer von Einem, pure evil scum.

I wouldn’t begrudge anyone celebrating when anyone involved in crimes like that die.

bad2thebone

I'd say Jimmy Saville and all paedophilies, child killer's etc

There's an agenda going on somewhere supposedly of people promoting minor attraction as normality. I'm sure there's some women and men who were harmed who'd like to see the cuts suggesting that minor attraction is acceptable locked up or tormented.

Any cnut who accepts minor attraction is appropriate, " is a nonse ".

[Deleted User]

I think the above is so lacking empathy. What about those who lost loved ones to the mass murders ordered by those very leaders? I don't see a need to over complicate it. Being glad a murderous tyrant is dead because they can no longer murder, or because of the trauma they caused... is perfectly legitimate.

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119580779#Comment_119580779

If it was a war situation and you were on the opposing side of xyz leader who died. Then I could understand it to an extent as it would mean end of war which could be celebrated. Ironically Stailin was instrumental in the defeat of Hitler. So who do you ‘celebrate’?

But all those individuals you mention were put into power by the creation of the political circumstances which enabled such leaders to get there. A culture was created and enabled.

And a myriad of people are to blame for the creation of those circumstances and climates.

The leader is just an easy scapegoat and lightening rod to blame. But there has be culpability across the board so those leaders get in the first place. And more often than not a leader is a reflection of a time and place. And the people they represent IMO.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119580536#Comment_119580536

I didn't celebrate Haughey or Thatcher or Paisley dying - that's not my cup of tea, but surely you wouldn't apply the above to people who were affected being overjoyed when Hitler died, or Stalin, or Pinochet, Pol Pot, Milosevic, Amin...?

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119580307#Comment_119580307

That is not my point . I will repeat it again Is it right to not only celebrate that a person is dead, but to dance on their graves as well?

Furthermore what does it achieve? And finally what does it say about such people’s mindsets that they feel they have to ‘celebrate’ a death. Or hope someone dies?

Personally I think people with such mindsets need to take a step back mentally. And have a period of self reflection regardless of political viewpoint.

The question should not simply be would you celebrate the death of a world leader past or hope for the death of a present leader etc

The real question to me is a deeper one. Is it right to celebrate the loss of another life? And WHY some people feel justified in that mindset.

Because personally it does not sit right with me. And on a human level it seems reprehensible to me.

But I think some posters manage to ge to couch their thoughts in the political instead so they can then dehumanise an individual past or present. With a self justifying agenda. It creates a psychological distance, to allow dehumanising of an individual. A different compartment mentally so that they can view xyz as other.

To the extent that they celebrate a death or hope a person dies. To me that is a very dangerous line of thought. As dehumanising and the creation of ‘other’ only leads one way.

Zebra3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119576429#Comment_119576429

Lot of people suffered under Haughey.

The paedos had their gulags for Irish women, all aided and abetted by FFFG and Labour.

Ordinary people suffered on huge waiting lists in the health service while Haughey robbed the country blind.

The big question is why didn’t more people dance on his grave?

I guess at least Haughey was the end of the criminals in FF, right?

[Deleted User]

I've just been reminded that Slobodan Milosevic died in 2006.

Would folk here be telling the Croats and Bosnians, who celebrated this development, to be the bigger person?

Yes, stuff like the Haughey thing are just petty, but there are and have been some of the worst monsters imaginable, and saying no death should be celebrated - when you're in a safe democracy - displays lack of empathy. The devil doesn't need an advocate. I'm gonna reserve my concern for the many dead they were responsible for.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119576429#Comment_119576429

A petty stunt for likes on social media. Nothing more.

[Deleted User]

Joy caused by the relief of a murdering tyrant dying is perfectly fair.

gormdubhgorm

I was wondering would many of the posters on here actually follow this fella's lead and dance on the grave of the dead?

@6:54

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pifibs_q7ec

For the boards posters it would obviously be phone in hand obviously mid boards.ie post, while dancing at the same time.

But I ask what does it achieve? Who does it benefit ? And what does it say of the mindset of someone who thinks like this? Regardless of what people think of an individual, it is more of statement into the mindset of 'death celebrator's' in my opinion.

ancapailldorcha

I'd like to re-emphasise that taking pleasure in anyone's death is quite horrible. The only exception I'd make are for people who might go on to do more terrible things like Trump and Putin. Thatcher, Bush, Reagan, Blair and so on did everything they were going to do or had done when they die/died.

growleaves

Lazar Kaganovich only died in 1991 at age 98.

Probably the most recent political figure who bares responsibility for tens of millions of deaths to die within our lifetimes.