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Wait I thought Ministers did not control the department they are the head of ? Minister for housing does not apparently.
But but but there is a graph that says there is no housing DISASTER and rent is affordable for our young people....and and our health service is superb with the trolley crisis resolved and almost no waiting list for a delayed diagnosis and a great new children's hospital built so efficiently ...and and the cronyism and corruption that FG promised to resolve in 2011 has been completely fixed with the standards in public office bill of 2015 passing into legislation without a problem.....oh wait.
We have some plans though...high level ones. Failing or destined to fail.
And we did really well on the national debt per capita index to achieve this utopia....watch that space.
This is the sort of nonsense that passes for debate.
Poster on boards expects Minister for Health to be working with pen and paper calculating pandemic bonuses due to healthcare staff and sitting behind a desk writing and handing out cheques to them.
Like, the Minister orders that they be paid, it is down to officials after that.
The data may have been updated in March but it relates to a period that ended in 2018. There's been a general election and new government since.
While it may not warrant a thread of its own it's certainly not relevant to this thread.
Didn't someone link to a 4 year old graph earlier? You didn't seem too concerned about the timeline with that.
The numbers provided give an excellent view of the progress Ireland made over that period yet we still have people trying to find a fault with it.
You can have your couple of months.
Have those workers been sorted yet do you know?
Article from June, it’s September now
You'd have admire the level of delusion which involves believing this crowd of clowns can solve the housing crisis,
when they can't even manage this
Also an awful insult to all the Irish people who worked hard and studied hard to make sure we did make progress. Total lack of respect to the people who have gone before us!!
On that, has this ever been sorted?
A round of applause doesn't pay the bills apparently.
So the data was updated in March this year but it should be in a thread for the previous government which was shut down in Feb 2020?
Should it not be discussed now as the information is available now? not when it wasn't available?
Also the poster mentioned Ireland, to me it seems right to discuss on this thread. Not sure it would warrant a thread on its own:
If you scratch the surface and look globally Ireland is doing very well on many of the big issues.
I can tell you who isn't
In terms of who is:
#HousingForAll is one year old and it's making good progress.
Since the middle of 2021, almost 54,000 new homes have been either built (25,000) or commenced (28,450).
The number of homes purchased by Households has gone from a low of just under 25,699 in 2011 to 55,298 in 2021.
Really we are having a moan here about Covid, which affected the entire World and the Ukraine war which is also affecting the entire World
Baffling carry on.
You are aware the budget is coming up plus we did give get 200 euro per household earlier in year.
Yes. But the poster asked this question.
And? Relative to other countries?
I answered.
He is the leader of one of the parties in government, is he not allowed to have an opinion?
By the way he is 100% right and everything he says in the article is correct.
Even if the Kerry terminal gets planning it wil be doing nothing till 2030, hardly a great relief for the current electricity pricing.
France.
France
In January, the French government forced the state-owned energy provider, Électricité de France (EDF), to cap wholesale price rises to 4% for a year, at a cost of €8.4bn (£7bn).
France had already announced a one-off €100 (£84) payment last year to 5.8 million households receiving energy vouchers. Since then, it has also reduced taxes on electricity.
According to Bruegel, a Brussels-based think tank, France is expected to spend €45bn (£38bn) to support people through the cost of living crisis.
Spain.
Spain
Spain has cut VAT on energy bills from 21% to 10%. A special tax on electricity has also been temporarily cut from 7% to 0.5%.
To pay for these tax cuts, Spain introduced a windfall tax on energy companies, which aims to raise €3bn (£2.5bn).
In April, the European Commission agreed a price cap for gas in Portugal and Spain - an average of €50 (£42) per megawatt-hour.
The price cap will last for one year and aims to halve gas bills for 40% of customers in the two countries.
When combined, Spain's measures are expected to cost about €27bn (£23bn).
Meanwhile in Ireland.
Electric Ireland has announced further increases to its residential electricity and gas bills from 1 October after increasing them in August.
The company said its electricity bills will increase by 26.7% and residential gas bills by 37.5% from next month.
We all like having a moan about living in Ireland and FG this and FF that, but how many of the moaners and whingers would swap life in Ireland for life in Eritrea or Ukraine? Or even most of our neighbours?
Look at your latest electriciy or gas bill.
Regards...jmcc
Just when everyone thought things couldn't get worse for FFG:
Has anyone told him that he's not the taoiseach?
Can you explain how those events will have worked to increase income inequality in Ireland relative to other countries and decrease growth relative to other countries?
On the face of it, the measures we took during Covid to protect incomes will have further increased equality and we have also seen the best economic outcome from Covid, so I would be interested in your analysis and the factors you have identified to support your conclusion.
There have been two major events that have changed economic conditions in the last few years. The first is the Covid pandemic which saw lots of countries impacted with lockdowns and people not working. The second is the war in Ukraine that has caused a refugee crisis in Europe and impacted energy costs. To people who don't understand these things or who ignore them for party-political reasons, these historical graphs might seem impressive but the current economic conditions are different to those in 2018. Even FFG realises that there is a difference between pre-Covid and current economic conditions and that's driving a lot of the negotiations about what happens with the Budget.
Who's trying to resolve it?
Probably belongs in the thread for the previous government so.
Really? so we should shut down the entire country and everyone should stop because of the housing crisis?
Or should we continue to work and continue to improve while trying to resolve it?
I know which option I am going with.
Graphs mean sfa when you can't house your family.
Based on the tweet and the link provided in it the data was only updated earlier in the year. Maybe I am wrong?
Updated chart using @lisdata
of income growth and income inequality changes from 1987 to 2018. The 17 countries shown are those in @lisdata
for the endpoints (+/- 2 years) as well as CPI data from @OECD_Stat
to get real income. Ireland alone in bottom-right quadrant.
So it takes four years to produce?
It wouldn't be available yet, that is all.
If you believe the current data is different, produce it.
This is a current affairs thread. I'd like to see the current data. I suspect there's a reason why it has been omitted.
So you want to throw out all the progress made between 1987 - 2018 in Ireland? We are told daily by people that 100 years of FF and FG has made Ireland a disgrace/kip etc etc
When you actually start to break it down we have seen massive progress in Ireland, as I always say yes we have problems, but we have also seen huge progress.
Our life expectancy has also increased massively over this period and loads of other numbers.
Trying to say it has no relevance???
The data in the graph is four years old. Where's the current data? It's a bit like saying Dublin won the All-Ireland in 2018. Has no relevance today.
They won't explain. Go off on another tangent about something else.
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