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Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power [Amazon] *Spoilers*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,696 ✭✭✭✭OwaynOTT


    I kinda liked it. Your man with Galadriel is defo Sauron though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,305 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Prodston


    I expected it to be awful, but was pleasantly surprised by how intrigued I was to watch more!

    For reference: I read The Hobbit at 10. The LOTR movies began a year later, loved them. And have only maybe watched the series once since then, roughly 10 years ago. The Hobbit movies were awful. So I'm a casual fan, and have forgotten far more than I remember



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,596 ✭✭✭Tristram


    Decent start that has interest piqued. Looking forward to see how it plays out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp



    Interesting comparison, also highlights one of the fundamental flaws in this one (for now) , lotr was story about an unlikely group of heroes , much more compelling story than this




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    They're not Irish accents. They're Harfoots 😋

    Watched the two episodes last night. I'm interested, I want to see more. The acting is a bit hammy and I kept finding logical inconsistencies.

    The Elves have no word for death? They can die, they have weapons and anger. Surely someone has killed someone else.

    What was Galadriel doing with the rope on the raft? She was pulling some rope for no reason.

    Why do the dwarf guards have a funny bobbing walk? Maybe they got children to play them.

    What did the orc do with all the dirt in the tunnel he was digging? Haven't they watched The Great Escape?

    Why does the smith elf need the tower built so quickly? He's immortal, surely time means less to him.

    I'm just being pedantic.

    Hope the first episodes are a slow burn.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,709 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    It makes sense as he was very much steeped in the older epics. The longer rhotic /r/ came to us from Old English via Greek. It started to go out of fashion in London and the south of Britain in the 18th century where it became identified as a sound of the regions and a sign of a lack of education. That eventually became the non-rhotic /ah/ sound in RP. Parts of the US linked to Britain at that time also picked it up as did Commonwealth countries in time. Ireland, some parts of Britain and most of the North America today continue with the rhotic /r/.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    They can't destroy anything. If you don't like the new stuff just ignore it.

    The point here is that this is blatantly aimed at pulling in LOTR fans from the most rabid to the very casual viewers who have invested in that world and there are armies of them. It's equally aimed at boosting Amazon subscriptions!

    Some fans really will not like what has been produced. If there are enough fans unhappy with it then this will not last beyond this one and only season. This was the risk they took and so far it's not shaping up that well, even for the people who've only heard of LOTR.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,078 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Yes I agree but that in no way "destroyed" Tolkien or any enjoyment of what came before.

    I'm sick to death of whingebags talking about how Trek/SW or whatever is ruined or destroyed. It's so over the top.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,608 ✭✭✭corkie


    @breezy1985 Don't like the other comment that goes with it 'turning in their graves' Gene/Tolkien.

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,078 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Whatever about Tolkien who built a really deep universe Gene and George were winging it.

    Star Trek has absolutely zero lore, backstory or world building. The Jedi rules were made up as Lucas went along.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,479 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Yeah the depth Tolkien gave his world means its very hard to "destroy". He left very few outright holes in the key lore. (Plenty of wiggle room between but the key parts are all locked so no damaging retcons can be achieved.)


    And the caveat is with the large kinda hilarious exception of Tom Bombadil whom Tolkien left literally no notes for and actually just called a mystery when he was asked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,709 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    So what did Amazon buy? “We have the rights solely to The Fellowship of the Ring, The Two Towers, The Return of the King, the appendices, and The Hobbit,” Payne says. “And that is it. We do not have the rights to The Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, The History of Middle-earth, or any of those other books.” That takes a huge chunk of lore off the table and has left Tolkien fans wondering how this duo plans to tell a Second Age story without access to those materials. “There’s a version of everything we need for the Second Age in the books we have the rights to,” McKay says. “As long as we’re painting within those lines and not egregiously contradicting something we don’t have the rights to, there’s a lot of leeway and room to dramatize and tell some of the best stories that [Tolkien] ever came up with.”

    https://lrmonline.com/news/what-material-does-amazon-have-the-rights-to-for-the-rings-of-power-answered/

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,078 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I never understood the upset when he was left out of the movies. An absolutely pointless character who just comes across as a man who identifies as an Ent or something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,479 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Hes a great amusing joke for books but would be a disaster on screen (tv or film) as too many general audience fans would just get completely stuck on him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,194 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Was such a shame, LOTR trilogy could have had its very own Jar Jar Binks😝



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,078 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Posts: 8,756 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yeah I know that but they should just have completely skipped it, rather than what we got. My wife paused it and asked what the hell it all meant. There was no need to mention the Two Trees, or anything in Valinor for that matter. Just fight Morgoth and then open on the hunt for Sauron, his most fierce servant.

    No need to bring Galadriel into it, or Elrond, and make her such a different character. Just make a new one. The lore is open enough to insert characters, just do not rewrite the existing key touch points. By referencing Valinor and the Trees they highlight what they do not have but, most egregiously, act like they never happened. It completely changes character motivations (which ripple all the way to the 3rd Age)


    That the 2nd Age last for so long would not even be a matter, with the immortality of an elf. It could have been an anthology of the 2nd Age with the waxing of Numenor told through that methodology all the way to the fall



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,479 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Thats why this isn't canon. I thought that was accepted by everyone by now?



  • Posts: 8,756 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Of course it's not canon but if you are going to only pay lip-service don't bother calling it Lord Of The Rings. At the very least don't start an offensive against people who expected LOTR, based on what was originally promised, as news of the production started coming out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,709 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    It's not just that though, if you weren't already familiar with the lore, are these elements sufficiently explained on screen to register with the 'casual' viewer?

    I'm going to say no.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Posts: 8,756 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm not joking, my wife did ask what the hell was that entire section about.

    There was no need for it. It only confused her and annoyed me, the casual and the book-wanker



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,479 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Oh yeah the bait and switch is a massive own goal that has put the show on a uphill struggle with its own target audience.

    God no. But it pretty clear that the writers grasp on the lore themselves could barely be called "casual".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,078 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    If we were to go by the books do elves age and have a young adult period like we see Elrond and Galadriel in this show ?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,216 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    The interpersonal interactions are all a bit weird. Galadriel is the great great aunt of Gil Galad but she has to ask Elrond to get an audience.


    I feel they’ve minimised her into a plucky outcast, when she’s actually been a oldie royalty for over a thousand years.


    I’ve gone full nerd.

    they/them/theirs


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,216 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Nope. They are forever young. They hit adulthood and don’t age a day.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,078 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Apparently. So if age doesn't really mean anything then Elrond marrying Galadriels daughter isn't an issue.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,216 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Children, yeah. But Elrond is already centuries old in this.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • Posts: 13,822 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I've realised quickly that this will be one I will watch without checking in with the fans and the internet



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