According to an Arabic news site .
Hmmmmm but the IAEA didn't mention it all yesterday or today....
I wonder why 🤔
Did you know the Syrian army used Panzer 4s in the Golan heights in 1967? Now those tanks in contrast to the Russian rust buckets were actually maintained but the were absolutely shreaded by the IDF, oddly a Panzer 4 in 1967 was not as badly outdated as the 1980s Russian buckets are now.
Some indications Ukraine is gaining ground....but all very non-commital on whether they lost an entire brigade or not as Russia is claiming
Also
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/987814-ukraine-bombs-russian-base-near-occupied-nuclear-plant
Are we going to keep repeating versions of Russia’s keening for the days when it was a superpower?
Somebody pass Meddy some kleenex
Well I guess the "Anglo-Saxon perverts" better finish this war quickly before Russia collapses.
The more modern Ukranian tractors had more reliable engines... explains a lot now.
Can you imagine the mileage the Russian propagandists would get if US, UK etc dug 1950s and 1960s tanks out of storage to send to Ukraine?
Not good enough for their own armies, but they don't mind sending inadequately armed or armoured death traps to Ukranian cannon fodder!
But somehow it's a coup if Russia does that for its own troops!
Ah no Ted, I'm not talking about them aul' 60 year old tanks, I mean the better 70 year old tanks, sure they'd be less corroded and more technologically sophisticated.
No Ted, you're right, it's the other way around, isn't it?
He ran away after posting it
I did not see that claim but perhaps he can explain how artillery shells can do 180 degree turn in mid flight.
https://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/ukraine-war-rocket-that-landed-near-ukraine-nuclear-plant-not-from-our-territory-kremlin-expert-tells-un-inspectors-41957914.html
apologies if I missed it, but did you ever offer up any evidence to back this up?
Well done, you are starting to admit you are talking shite, even the 1970s and 1980s are more than 40 or 50 years ago. Those tanks have been sitting out in all weather for decades, they are about as useful as the t34s sitting on monuments or the shermans sitting in museum's. Any parts left on them are too far gone in rust to have been worth stealing in the last 4 decades.
The very best from Russian reserves were already taken out and became auxiliary trailers for the Ukrainian agricultural community months ago. Whats left are useful for nothing except perhaps prefab bunkers in trench systems.
You were going to read the "Military Balance 2021" report pdf by the International Institute for Strategic Studies pages 165 for region overview and 191 for Russian military equipment amd personel breakdown get back to us tomorrow.
So you said anyway . You read big reports as part of your job you said. This is only a handful of pages.
Also There are 171 countries in the listing including Ireland. We don't have much of anything
@TonesjonesIl get my stats from military think tank and strategic organisations. .
Think tanks and not a lot of actual thinking seems to be causing some difficulty
doomsday prediction
You have read the article apparently - go for it!
Do you understand the difference between a reported figure and actual figure?
Do you think a London based think tank was able to check out these tank storage facilities to verify that yes the tanks were there and yes they were operational?
Answer the questions. Don't just rephrase the same deflections.
If you are so right, and we are so wrong - it should be very simple for you to do so.
It's 17000 and from the 1950s not 60s
Then why haven't they rolled across Ukraine ?
I wonder how many tanks claimed exist never left Europe after the fall of the Berlin wall ,
There's plenty of places former Soviet occupied states have another few thousand tanks and other russian vehicles left in forests not in proper temperature controlled warehouses with a team of techs maintaining them .
They used to have a German Jagdpanther in the entrance to the Imperial War Museum in London. It was 100% definitely a tank (or, strictly speaking, tank destroyer), but it was also 100% useless to anyone who actually needed a working tank-destroyer that could actually...destroy tanks. That's the difference.
Still waiting on answers to the questions which have been put to you at least a dozen times already.
But nope, you keep digging that hole.
We've already established you don't understand the difference between tanks and armoured vehicles, or active military personnel and reserve personnel. What would you like to be wrong on next???
You are either unable or unwilling to comprehend the difference between an estimate \ assessment and actual reality, and deliberately attempt to spin one as the other.
Go on, tell these reputable organisations their reputations are being disparaged and to provide the evidence that supports that their figures are accurate.
Pretty obvious.
No
Do you know that tanks in storage takes atleast 3 months to be operational if no sanctions,but with sanctions Russia wont be able to make the tanks with same standard,as it misses critical spareparts that the west produce.
You can get some from China,but quality control isnt know to be good there
Do you know the difference between operational tanks vs tanks in storage?
Your wrong.
The rest of us actually understand what we are talking about.
1000 visually confirmed. In reality maybe twice that number which would tally with Ukr. numbers of 2000+
Ask them if they still think think their figures were correct. Their figures are an estimate based on Russian reported figures.
Well, come on answer up.
So if you can show us where any of these organisations actually did that, go ahead.
Otherwise, yes they are wrong and you are wrong and they know it and you know it.
The above organisations are wrong and you are right.
"Come with me and you'll be in a world of pure imagination"
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