So many tanks ... or paperweights
https://youtu.be/eHhgVrKJJoA
This canard has been totally discredited already on the thread.
Do you think they counted the tanks and checked they were operational? Well? Give us the 'facts'?
Sure, it's a fact that's what they reported. That doesn't make it real or the actual facts of how many serviceable tanks they have ready for use.
Earlier on the thread you didn't even realise the difference between active military personnel ready for action and reserves, and parroted the same nonsense about 'facts'.
Absolutely. Please do. Also page 191 for a detailed equipment and personnel list.
Don't forget now
But you have been very much wrong before
People should complain about energy prices. Their governments need to support them.
Should have no bearing on a country’s support for Ukraine against Hitler 2.0.
And there will be Russian agents in the mix also.
The Czech’s know what it’s like to have Russians lord over them.
When I quote accepted global studies from accredited universities or companies vs you quoting twitter .
According to you
The International Institute for Strategic Studies ( a world-leading authority on global security, political risk and military conflict ) = Wrong
The Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) ( the world's oldest and the UK’s leading defence and security think tank) = Wrong
Twitter and your imagination = Right
Looks like you were mixing up tanks and armoured vehicles, estimated at 10,200.
Estimate for tanks (max) is 4,800. But, we know Russian Battle groups are not at their maximum. 3k tanks originally sounds about right.
so, 1,000 known battle tanks destroyed. How many armoured vehicles?
Read it and weep…. https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2022/03/15/how-many-tanks-does-russia-have-in-ukraine-and-how-many-have-they-lost-so-far/?sh=f21ec725682e
And yet your wrong .
Imagine that.
You don't actually understand what your claiming nobody has gone into russia and counted every tank since 1950 , which are currently rusting away all over russia,
That doesn't make them combat ready or capable,
they are scrap metal,
The above organisations are wrong and you are right.
"Come with me and you'll be in a world of pure imagination"
Gene Wilder
Ask them if they still think think their figures were correct. Their figures are an estimate based on Russian reported figures.
Do you think a London based think tank was able to check out these tank storage facilities to verify that yes the tanks were there and yes they were operational?
Well, come on answer up.
So if you can show us where any of these organisations actually did that, go ahead.
Otherwise, yes they are wrong and you are wrong and they know it and you know it.
1000 visually confirmed. In reality maybe twice that number which would tally with Ukr. numbers of 2000+
Your wrong.
The rest of us actually understand what we are talking about.
Do you know the difference between operational tanks vs tanks in storage?
Do you know that tanks in storage takes atleast 3 months to be operational if no sanctions,but with sanctions Russia wont be able to make the tanks with same standard,as it misses critical spareparts that the west produce.
You can get some from China,but quality control isnt know to be good there
Pretty obvious.
No
Still waiting on answers to the questions which have been put to you at least a dozen times already.
But nope, you keep digging that hole.
We've already established you don't understand the difference between tanks and armoured vehicles, or active military personnel and reserve personnel. What would you like to be wrong on next???
You are either unable or unwilling to comprehend the difference between an estimate \ assessment and actual reality, and deliberately attempt to spin one as the other.
Go on, tell these reputable organisations their reputations are being disparaged and to provide the evidence that supports that their figures are accurate.
They used to have a German Jagdpanther in the entrance to the Imperial War Museum in London. It was 100% definitely a tank (or, strictly speaking, tank destroyer), but it was also 100% useless to anyone who actually needed a working tank-destroyer that could actually...destroy tanks. That's the difference.
I wonder how many tanks claimed exist never left Europe after the fall of the Berlin wall ,
There's plenty of places former Soviet occupied states have another few thousand tanks and other russian vehicles left in forests not in proper temperature controlled warehouses with a team of techs maintaining them .
Then why haven't they rolled across Ukraine ?
It's 17000 and from the 1950s not 60s
Do you understand the difference between a reported figure and actual figure?
Answer the questions. Don't just rephrase the same deflections.
If you are so right, and we are so wrong - it should be very simple for you to do so.
You have read the article apparently - go for it!
@TonesjonesIl get my stats from military think tank and strategic organisations. .
Think tanks and not a lot of actual thinking seems to be causing some difficulty
doomsday prediction
You were going to read the "Military Balance 2021" report pdf by the International Institute for Strategic Studies pages 165 for region overview and 191 for Russian military equipment amd personel breakdown get back to us tomorrow.
So you said anyway . You read big reports as part of your job you said. This is only a handful of pages.
Also There are 171 countries in the listing including Ireland. We don't have much of anything
Well done, you are starting to admit you are talking shite, even the 1970s and 1980s are more than 40 or 50 years ago. Those tanks have been sitting out in all weather for decades, they are about as useful as the t34s sitting on monuments or the shermans sitting in museum's. Any parts left on them are too far gone in rust to have been worth stealing in the last 4 decades.
The very best from Russian reserves were already taken out and became auxiliary trailers for the Ukrainian agricultural community months ago. Whats left are useful for nothing except perhaps prefab bunkers in trench systems.
apologies if I missed it, but did you ever offer up any evidence to back this up?
I did not see that claim but perhaps he can explain how artillery shells can do 180 degree turn in mid flight.
https://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/ukraine-war-rocket-that-landed-near-ukraine-nuclear-plant-not-from-our-territory-kremlin-expert-tells-un-inspectors-41957914.html
He ran away after posting it
Ah no Ted, I'm not talking about them aul' 60 year old tanks, I mean the better 70 year old tanks, sure they'd be less corroded and more technologically sophisticated.
No Ted, you're right, it's the other way around, isn't it?
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