Westmeath school gets temporary injunction banning a suspended teacher from it's premises

Furze99 · 02-09-2022 06:32PM

Are the infamous Burkes part of the Baptist church. I always had them as ultra conservative Roman Catholics but maybe I was wrong?

Boggles · 02-09-2022 06:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119561319#Comment_119561319

Again my or your feelings are moot.

TBH I never heard of this family, I saw a paywalled article about his sister being fired too I think. Surprise.

What does Mammy do?

is_that_so · 02-09-2022 06:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119560360#Comment_119560360

It's not actually singular but it is a form of impersonal pronoun that signals that a noun may represent male or female - student, person etc. It's a very useful discourse device to address that he/she question, very easily by leaving it to the reader to make the choice.

growleaves · 02-09-2022 06:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119561334#Comment_119561334

She's an independent schoolmaster/teacher running classes our of a home school for pay.

I hadn't heard of them either until recently.

02-09-2022 06:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119558043#Comment_119558043

whats your point?

all i see is an 'actually' post that proves something to me that i've never disputed.

this fact, what of it?

theres nothing there, nothing other than 'actually this exists'.

so what if it exists. who cares. how does your 'AKShuLLy' post translate into anything in the least bit relevant.

theres someone with xx chromosomes and a pair of balls out there. ok well thats just wonderful.

and what ...?

Annasopra · 02-09-2022 06:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119561229#Comment_119561229

They know how perfectly well how to use they/them. I found dozens of examples in their posting history.

Deeec · 02-09-2022 06:48PM

Enoch Burke's personal beliefs should have been put aside in order to do his job. If his headmistress told him to stand on his head or refer to a student as 'they' Burke should have done it regardless of what he believes

He should never be allowed teach again as his behaviour regarding this matter has been crazy. He's a nutter that shouldn't be allowed near kids.

02-09-2022 06:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119561392#Comment_119561392

“Orders are orders” hasn’t been an acceptable statement since the Nuremberg trials. Fitness to teach is a matter for the Teaching Council.

Faugheen · 02-09-2022 07:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119561409#Comment_119561409

Lol you’re comparing this to the Nazi’s now?

Its asking to treat a child going through a really tough time with their identity with some dignity and respect. It’s basic f*cking manners.

Dyr · 02-09-2022 07:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119561229#Comment_119561229

From the link in the first post, if only you had bothered to read it.

"Enoch Burke, who the court was told is currently on paid administrative leave pending the outcome of an ongoing disciplinary process.

He has not been sanctioned and no finding has been made against him by the school.

His suspension arises from alleged conduct after he publicly voiced his objections to the school’s request to address one of its students, who wishes to transition, using the pronoun “they” and by a different name.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 02-09-2022 07:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119561332#Comment_119561332

CHruch of Ireland, I believe.

EDIT - Evangelical protestant.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119561338#Comment_119561338

Some people manage to leave personal feelings outside of the classroom. But something must have kept him in the job this long - the school doesn't come across as the kind to suffer pontificagting teachers and he didn't just get the job last week.

Dyr · 02-09-2022 07:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119561062#Comment_119561062

Good enough for usage of modern English? No, if you're having to argue from texts that would have had the Thorn in them you haven't a leg to stand on

But whille we're taking this trip through linguistic La La land, was Chaucer, Shakespear or Austen using "they" to refer to a person that was neither male nor female or thought that they were at someone inderteminate point along a transformation from one to t'tother? Verily, I thinkest they did not. 😂

02-09-2022 07:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119559982#Comment_119559982

Nope but a few people who either can't read or didn't read the article are making themselves look a bit stupid saying that was the reason

Kaybaykwah · 02-09-2022 07:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119561530#Comment_119561530

Excepting the fact that Shakespeare had male actors play both sexes, and therefore might have disagreed with thou on thy point.

laoisgem · 02-09-2022 07:34PM

Unfortunately I do have skin in this game. My daughters girlfriend transitioned and their last 2 years of secondary school were horrendous, so much so I had to threaten the ombudsman of children to the principal to be heard. He is a pig and anyone who supports him are the same!

growleaves · 02-09-2022 07:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119561559#Comment_119561559

That wasn't an artistic choice on the part of Shakespeare. Women actors were barred from the theatres in Elizabethan society for their own protection (from vice). Shakespeare wasn't a Puritan so perhaps he would have used actresses if they had been available to him.

Dyr · 02-09-2022 07:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119561390#Comment_119561390

Oh dear, Should I take the time to explain this to you? I know how use plural pronouns correctly. I don't address a person as they or them. If you're unsure about this just use this handy rule, if you're having to tell an entire school to refer to someone as "they" then you can be sure the word is being used incorrectly, otherwise they would not have to issue instructions. If you're doing it because you think that you are not either a "he" or "she" then you are equally incorrect.

Dyr · 02-09-2022 07:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119561559#Comment_119561559

What did you say those actors were? Male?

Also you might want to reflect on what actors do. Clues in the name. 😂

02-09-2022 07:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119561479#Comment_119561479

I’m pointing to the indisputable fact in Western democracies that “orders are orders” are an unacceptable defence of action since Nuremberg. The poster I quoted believed that it was sufficient justification . Your problem with it seems to be that it only applies to the Nazi era. Educate yourself.

I’ve already pointed to the controverted nature of “ask” in this episode. You might read what I wrote. Unless you believe “ask” is a synonym for “tell” while miraculously avoiding that imperative. In other words, nonsense.

Again you are repeating the elision of Quin_Dub that I pointed out earlier in regard to the phrasing “tough time with their identity etc”. Of course that is accurate. But it is not the root issue. That root issue has been lost in the further activities of Mr Burke.

02-09-2022 07:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119561338#Comment_119561338

A singularly pointed attack on whoever appointed him. Is that wise?

laoisgem · 02-09-2022 08:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119561659#Comment_119561659

Great contribution, keep it up 😉

ohnonotgmail · 02-09-2022 08:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119561633#Comment_119561633

you wouldn't address a person as he/her either. you would use "you" or their name.

Marcusm · 02-09-2022 08:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119561332#Comment_119561332

His theology degree is from The North American Reformed Seminary (in addition to his NUIG degrees). Definitely no association with Rome and it seems to be evangelical but not sure that it is Baptist per se.

pjohnson · 02-09-2022 09:51PM

The whole brood should already be unemployable.

They are guaranteed to start legal trouble sooner or later so should not be hired by anyone with half a brain.

02-09-2022 09:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119561574#Comment_119561574

Within limits obviously, can you tell us what you felt the Ombudsman could do and what effect it had on school management?

freshpopcorn · 02-09-2022 09:57PM

Over the years they've being loads of teachers who'd have issues with homosexuality, kids of divorce, no father around, you name it. However on a professionally capacity they had to park these at the door.

This lads main issue is how the acted around the principal and others at that event and now his behavior at the school when the students are back at school.

02-09-2022 10:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119560344#Comment_119560344

I'm just following your lead here. You appear to have unrivalled expertise in the topic.

02-09-2022 10:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119562271#Comment_119562271

That has become the main issue yes.

deirdremf · 02-09-2022 11:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119562271#Comment_119562271

This lads main issue is how the acted around the principal and others at that event and now his behavior at the school when the students are back at school.

I think the principal is new in the job, and they** may have felt they** needed to put down a marker.

It may be that they** decided they** needed to make a point about who is the overall authority in the school.

See how I cleverly used the word they to refer to a single individual? And without giving a clue as to their sex. Or even to their gender!!!

briangriffin · 02-09-2022 11:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119556960#Comment_119556960

Please share the relevant studies for the statement that the human brain is male or female.

Biological sex is not a spectrum, that is nonsense. The existence of people with DSDs does not prove that sex is non binary. There are no third or fourth sexes. There is no discernable differences in the male and female brain. That is nonsense stop quoting it as fact or implying that any neuroscientist or biologist in the world with half a brain would ever say the same.

gender identity is whatever you are having or feeling yourself it is entirely subjective and driven not by science but by human thought and social contagion a fact attested to by the 72 genders often quoted today. How are these gender identities discovered??

John money popularised gender identity in the 1960s gender identites were not discovered by Einstein or Edison by conducting careful scientific experiments, and they have been expanding since then,

Unscientific is very apt in your statement.

Westmeath school gets temporary injunction banning a suspended teacher from it's premises

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