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Lazy effort op, don't do it again
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john123470
This lads main issue is how the acted around the principal and others at that event and now his behavior at the school when the students are back at school.
I think the principal is new in the job, and they** may have felt they** needed to put down a marker.
It may be that they** decided they** needed to make a point about who is the overall authority in the school.
See how I cleverly used the word they to refer to a single individual? And without giving a clue as to their sex. Or even to their gender!!!
That has become the main issue yes.
I'm just following your lead here. You appear to have unrivalled expertise in the topic.
Over the years they've being loads of teachers who'd have issues with homosexuality, kids of divorce, no father around, you name it. However on a professionally capacity they had to park these at the door.
Within limits obviously, can you tell us what you felt the Ombudsman could do and what effect it had on school management?
The whole brood should already be unemployable.
They are guaranteed to start legal trouble sooner or later so should not be hired by anyone with half a brain.
His theology degree is from The North American Reformed Seminary (in addition to his NUIG degrees). Definitely no association with Rome and it seems to be evangelical but not sure that it is Baptist per se.
you wouldn't address a person as he/her either. you would use "you" or their name.
Great contribution, keep it up 😉
A singularly pointed attack on whoever appointed him. Is that wise?
I’m pointing to the indisputable fact in Western democracies that “orders are orders” are an unacceptable defence of action since Nuremberg. The poster I quoted believed that it was sufficient justification . Your problem with it seems to be that it only applies to the Nazi era. Educate yourself.
I’ve already pointed to the controverted nature of “ask” in this episode. You might read what I wrote. Unless you believe “ask” is a synonym for “tell” while miraculously avoiding that imperative. In other words, nonsense.
Again you are repeating the elision of Quin_Dub that I pointed out earlier in regard to the phrasing “tough time with their identity etc”. Of course that is accurate. But it is not the root issue. That root issue has been lost in the further activities of Mr Burke.
What did you say those actors were? Male?
Also you might want to reflect on what actors do. Clues in the name. 😂
Oh dear, Should I take the time to explain this to you? I know how use plural pronouns correctly. I don't address a person as they or them. If you're unsure about this just use this handy rule, if you're having to tell an entire school to refer to someone as "they" then you can be sure the word is being used incorrectly, otherwise they would not have to issue instructions. If you're doing it because you think that you are not either a "he" or "she" then you are equally incorrect.
That wasn't an artistic choice on the part of Shakespeare. Women actors were barred from the theatres in Elizabethan society for their own protection (from vice). Shakespeare wasn't a Puritan so perhaps he would have used actresses if they had been available to him.
Unfortunately I do have skin in this game. My daughters girlfriend transitioned and their last 2 years of secondary school were horrendous, so much so I had to threaten the ombudsman of children to the principal to be heard. He is a pig and anyone who supports him are the same!
Excepting the fact that Shakespeare had male actors play both sexes, and therefore might have disagreed with thou on thy point.
Nope but a few people who either can't read or didn't read the article are making themselves look a bit stupid saying that was the reason
Good enough for usage of modern English? No, if you're having to argue from texts that would have had the Thorn in them you haven't a leg to stand on
But whille we're taking this trip through linguistic La La land, was Chaucer, Shakespear or Austen using "they" to refer to a person that was neither male nor female or thought that they were at someone inderteminate point along a transformation from one to t'tother? Verily, I thinkest they did not. 😂
CHruch of Ireland, I believe.
EDIT - Evangelical protestant.
Some people manage to leave personal feelings outside of the classroom. But something must have kept him in the job this long - the school doesn't come across as the kind to suffer pontificagting teachers and he didn't just get the job last week.
From the link in the first post, if only you had bothered to read it.
"Enoch Burke, who the court was told is currently on paid administrative leave pending the outcome of an ongoing disciplinary process.
He has not been sanctioned and no finding has been made against him by the school.
His suspension arises from alleged conduct after he publicly voiced his objections to the school’s request to address one of its students, who wishes to transition, using the pronoun “they” and by a different name.
Lol you’re comparing this to the Nazi’s now?
Its asking to treat a child going through a really tough time with their identity with some dignity and respect. It’s basic f*cking manners.
“Orders are orders” hasn’t been an acceptable statement since the Nuremberg trials. Fitness to teach is a matter for the Teaching Council.
Enoch Burke's personal beliefs should have been put aside in order to do his job. If his headmistress told him to stand on his head or refer to a student as 'they' Burke should have done it regardless of what he believes
He should never be allowed teach again as his behaviour regarding this matter has been crazy. He's a nutter that shouldn't be allowed near kids.
They know how perfectly well how to use they/them. I found dozens of examples in their posting history.
whats your point?
all i see is an 'actually' post that proves something to me that i've never disputed.
this fact, what of it?
theres nothing there, nothing other than 'actually this exists'.
so what if it exists. who cares. how does your 'AKShuLLy' post translate into anything in the least bit relevant.
theres someone with xx chromosomes and a pair of balls out there. ok well thats just wonderful.
and what ...?
She's an independent schoolmaster/teacher running classes our of a home school for pay.
I hadn't heard of them either until recently.
It's not actually singular but it is a form of impersonal pronoun that signals that a noun may represent male or female - student, person etc. It's a very useful discourse device to address that he/she question, very easily by leaving it to the reader to make the choice.
Again my or your feelings are moot.
TBH I never heard of this family, I saw a paywalled article about his sister being fired too I think. Surprise.
What does Mammy do?
Are the infamous Burkes part of the Baptist church. I always had them as ultra conservative Roman Catholics but maybe I was wrong?
You don't sound like a withering violet to me.
I suppose he'll work for himself or the mammy after all this.
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