It must warm your heart though Francie to read:
"But among the injured, the doctor said he was most struck by their desire to continue fighting as soon as they are physically able."
The Russian's most certainly hold the plant that's about the height of all we know at present. It's plausible that they would fire shells at certain non vital buildings within the vast facility and blame it on Ukraine. It's also possible Ukraine would do likewise and blame it on Russia.
Half of Europe is very strongly behind Ukraine, the ones dithering and dragging feet for 6months now are France and Germany
So once again according to you the “cold winter” will cause countries to “break ranks”
It is reasonable to assume that this would happen to those countries who are not enthusiastically supporting Ukraine and who do not feel under existential threat from Russia
so once again let’s say country X in Europe “breaks ranks”
Then what? Go on spell it out
Was I not just looking at satellite imagery of Russia build up at the plant a few weeks ago and even today's reports mention the IAEA having to cross into Russia held territory to inspect the plant. They are currently negotiating with the Ukrainians for passage.
I don't see any reason why Russia would shell the plant considering they have armored vehicles and soldiers in the site, or have all those reports been incorrect? Who holds the plant?
Haven't heard that story before. The man is truly despicable
Nobody really knows what's going on on the ground there. Both sides using massive amounts of propaganda. I do find it suspicious with massive amounts of satellite technology and other such stuff we've seen zero evidence from the west of Russia firing at the plant on purpose. It just doesn't add up. Unfortunately some of the usual suspects on here will indeed call you a putinbot for even posing the question.
Interesting use of the word "literally".
Where in that sentence is there a mention of Germany or France, admiration for Putin or a suggestion that Ukraine will be forced to negotiate?
You made all that up, correct?
Back around 2007/08 Putin had his first summit with Angela merkel. His handlers informed him that she was afraid of dogs after getting bitten as a child. Putin turned up to the summit with a big Alsatian hound and let it loose around the room with Merkel.
Putin knows we are afraid of nuclear disasters so putting nuclear plants in jeopardy is like letting the Alsatian hound loose with Merkel.
edit: it was a big black Labrador
If the IAEA mission find that the Russians were not shelling their own plant - would you accept that? Or insist they too are kremlin propagandists?
Casualties on both sides are going to be huge.
If they can't have it , then the Ukrainians can't have it either,
Remember they have been saying ukraine would committ a false flag to using terrorism on a nuclear site to make them look bad
Who said Russians are the brightest or most logical bunch?
If they were either then this war wouldn’t have happened
Why cause an accident when prevailing winds send the radiation to Donbass and Russia?
Also they need the ZNPP operational to power the occupied areas - it makes no sense that they would deliberately shell a plant that they control.
That's exactly the thinking,the cause an accident then blame it on the Ukrainans all the while blocking all and any subsequent investigations while releasing their own report that squarely blames Nazi Ukrainians.
As we seen when Russia shot down flight mh17
At the risk of sounding like a Russian propaganda stooge, I actually don't get why Russia would be shelling the plant?
They have used the place as a base for their military, plenty of evidence to show this, and reports they are using the plant to position their own weapons to fire upon Ukrainian positions. So why then shell the site themselves?
The only explanations I could think of is that they are trying to cause an accident their and blame it on the Ukranian side, but that would seem the height of stupidity even for the Russians.
It’s a fatal flaw in human nature to outsource authority to perceived charismatic and dynamic people. And you can’t trust people with unlimited power whether good or bad. It will lead to our ultimate demise long before any natural extinction event. Nuclear annihilation will be justified by some such cult like leader at some stage in future history. We are currently seen such a cult like figure being encouraged to do it by his lunatics as we speak.
putin won't be attending Gorbys funeral this week, citing a heavy workload prevents him from attending.
He's scared now to be in public that's all that is
Sounds absolutely horrendous.
And people are convinced that the Russians wouldn't push the button on a nuclear weapon , while Russia is shelling a nuclear power plant that they have already rigged with explosives
Nobody seen that coming, literally nobody.
Zaporizhzhia is been shelled again today by russian forces, after refusing inspectors access to the site . And then shelling the route the inspectors were traveling along
Literally the post of yours I quoted
here is the exact sentence of yours
”If fuel shortages bite hard, European countries will break ranks.”
So once again “break ranks” and do what exactly?
And yet we have video and audio of attacks ,
That poster is completely gone off the reservation tbh. Everyone is a putinbot to him/her.
Where did I mention Germany and France in the post you're quoting?
Where did I mention Putin let alone express admiration for him?
Where did I mention forcing Ukraine back to the negotiating table?
Your entire post is responding to something that exists only in your head, I think you need to explain yourself a bit before you get a serious response.
That too
the constant “Germans will freeze and come crawling back to Emperor Putin for forgiveness” type posts here and elsewhere on this forum miss the elephant in the room and are ridiculous.
In order to have a say in this war and force Ukraine to “take one for team Europe” one needs to have leverage and the leverage lies with 1. USA and 2. All the countries along Russias border from Finland down to Turkey
USA sees a cheap way to tie up Russia and focus on China, so far they spent 50b on overall aid while seizing 7x that in Russian criminal money, they are also energy independent by actually exploiting the resources they have at home unlike the Europeans who turned nose at fracking and nuclear tech in order to save few bob with Russian gas
All the countries near Russia have a long history and memories of Russian subjugation they instinctively realise they are next and for them this war is a matter of putting to rest the biggest threat to their national survival
Germany can resume buying all the Russian oil and gas tomorrow they want (big assumption here that Putin will actually resume sales) and the only result would be the tearing apart of EU which is exponentially more important to German economy than criminal deals for Russian energy, anyways Germany has 15-20 years of gas in Germany itself, plenty of time to extract it and complete their disastrous Energiewende programme
Igor Strelkov says contrary to reports, there is no information on what's happening in Kherson or Enerhodar.
He says Ukraine have retaken half of New York (the Ukrainian one).
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Niu-York,+Donetsk+Oblast,+Ukraine,+85294/@48.3155545,37.610071,10z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x40dfd602b47065f7:0x5a285676cf031f86!8m2!3d48.3330342!4d37.8409832
The irony of all these is that ultimately the "nuclear option" of cutting off Gas into Europe lies not only in Russian hands. Most gas piped to Europe from Russia is piped through Ukraine and Ukraine could shut off that supply as readily as Russia could.
When oh when will something be done about those unsafe upstairs windows in Russia?
Plot twist. The window was an agent of Ukraine!
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