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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Its not right to speculate on the Why of a named little company.


    It would only be speculation and maybe damaging to them and their good name.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Hopefully that will feed through eventually to this side of the Atlantic.


    A new peak today for inflation, there is certainly another 6 months of inflation here, but that story gives hope that it may not become a systematic problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,709 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Our economies, atleast at local level hinge on how cold our winter is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 996 ✭✭✭Ozark707


    Pullback now appearing in US house prices


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    https://twitter.com/charliebilello/status/1564618424034131984



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    Putin is playing the long game. It just comes down to who can take more pain, Russians who are used to it and know no better or Europeans who aren't.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,895 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    So you think if the EU decided enough is enough and went back to Putin to turn back on the gas, he would immediately turn it back on and bring it up to full flow and back to pre-war prices? Russian gas isn't sanctioned, so what would the EU have to give in return?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,912 ✭✭✭Danno


    IMO - the biggest factor in that rate easing back was the drop in diesel prices from around 209c per litre in early July to as low as 181c per litre during mid-August.

    I think this rate will rebound up again in September as I see diesel is now rising back to around 200c and slightly more in some locations in the last couple of days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,927 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    The Power of Siberia line is the only major operational gas link between Russia and China, once its upgrades are fully completed in 2025 it will be capable of exporting 38bn cubic meters of gas per annum compared to the 160bn per annum purchased by the EU. Interested to know how you think the other 122bn cubic meters will be transported to China? Especially since Power of Siberia 2 is a fantasy at this moment because parts from the west are needed for its construction and even if somehow, the Russians and Chinese pulled it off, absolute best case scenario would be a 2030 operational start and even then it would only be able to handle 50bn cubic metres, leaving Russia with a 70bn cubic metres shortfall. Again this is fantasyland best case scenario, Russia are stuck with PoS1 and cannot replace European gas demand in China as a result.

    Out of interest, what European countries do you predict to end up like Sri Lanka this winter?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,454 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Do not be solely focused on China. If you reread my comment you reacted to I said "the likes of China" which translates as pretty much every other country which take Russian gas now. Turkey for example is making killing right now.

    Replacing EU gas demand is irrelevant due to price increase and the fact that Russia is currently flaring that excess gas rather than sending it to EU should be quite worrying.

    Every EU country which experience subzero temperatures for most of the winter is going to end up in chaos. There is not enough coal or wood at the ready not to mention that quite a lot of houses cant use them anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭lumphammer2


    It is utterly clear the world is lead or has been lead by a crowd of morons.

    Our Irish government may have their faults and are not perfect but they are saints compared to the morons who are in charge of several powerful nations either at present or in the near past. It beggars belief how clueless they are ...

    Ok this Covid lockdown stuff at the start ... it was a new virus, it was a panic reaction. BUT China are still acting as if it were 2020 and closing down large parts of its economy. Inviting a full scale revolution or what?

    Trump and his mad sanctions against Iran ... utter suicide against the world economy. The fact that it was not ditched the minute Trump was out of office is worse.

    Russia? Dear oh dear! What imbecile would launch a stupid economy destroying war after a pandemic. You'd expect better decisions in a transition year project.

    Crazy ... no one has learned a thing since the Iraq war/banking crisis era recession. Not a thing learned by these brain dead morons who call themselves leaders. They are not fit to lead a school nativity play let alone superpowers.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,660 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Now they openly say they don't care what the voter thinks we will just go ahead and do what we want. Unreal the arrogance of these people.


    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,660 ✭✭✭brickster69


    430 Euro billion turnaround in a year.

    eurozone.jpg


    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 888 ✭✭✭bb12


    It is utterly clear the world is lead or has been lead by a crowd of morons. psychopaths.


    fixed that for you



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,927 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    China and Turkey are eating the Russias lunch on energy prices as the Russians have lost their biggest trading partners and have no leverage. China are believed the be paying about 20% below market price at the moment. Btw turkstream has a max capacity of 30 billion cubic metres per year, so quite a bit away from the 122 billion shortfall if you try to replace the EU with China. Where else are they going to sell to? Kazakhstan? Belarus?

    Russia are flaring gas because they are desperate and have nowhere to sell it. You can’t just stop gas production, they are burning billions of dollars because of their geopolitical incompetence.

    What counties will end up like Sri Lanka this winter then? You are saying cold countries that relied on Russian oil and gas, so in that case we should expect the Danish state to collapse before February 2023?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Darth Putin


    More good news, we are one of the best among the best countries (oecd)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    That's hardly a surprise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,819 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    That graph is basically just income distribution within the country. Doesnt say anything about cost of living or inflation or anything really.

    How is this graph relevant to the discussion?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Darth Putin


    We are in top 1% of countries for equality and one of the lowest (relative) poverty rates

    No amount of moaning changes the fact that beside 4 other countries the average person on this planet is worse off



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,819 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    And what has that got to do with a global recession on the horizon?

    I'm failing to see the point



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,660 ✭✭✭brickster69


    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    That's great but the thread isn't about Ireland, the clue is in the thread title.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Darth Putin


    Ah can I quote you each time someone on this thread posts something about Ireland then?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,970 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Electricity going up 26% and gas by 37% start of next month with the biggest supplier. Diesel back at E2 now at the local station. Consumer confidence will be in a heap come the winter.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/eelctric-ireland-price-increase-5855040-Sep2022/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 597 ✭✭✭miece16


    That's surely almost a 100% increase in prices in the space of 6 months

    Things are gonna go bang soon enough



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    It's the usual line we heard in the 80s, "you've never had it so good".


    Anything to distract from problems now.


    Just pretend that businesses aren't going to get bills that will finish many of them in the next few months. You've never had it so good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    Ah sure look everything's grand, Galway text buzzing 3 houses and a holiday home in Bulgaria. There will always be people who just do not want to hear reality and how **** things may get.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Darth Putin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    This is getting ridiculous now. People simply can't sustain these prices.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    Who said we aren't allowed? I pointed out the thread title, simple as.

    You seem to have another voice in your head making stuff up?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Subzero3


    They are slowly boiling the frog with the electricity increases. The gov needs to come out and cap the price.

    Small businesses are going to fold and the city centers will be ghost towns.



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