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Lazy effort op, don't do it again
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john123470
Wonder what the parents are like.
An absolute pack of gombeens.
Surely it's a delusion for all? I agree the family in question leave a bad taste in the mouth, but that aside it is a dangerous precedent to set. It's not long ago a female teacher could lose there job by choosing to have a child outside of marriage because of the delusions of men in frocks (bad pun )
There are ways and means of voicing your concerns and making your point to your employer. In this case, reading the article it appears young Enoch waited until there was a full house ,a 260th anniversary dinner no less to “voice his objections” he then began following and shouting at the principal. Even if l agreed with his point, which l don’t, his behaviour which is the root cause of his suspension is intolerable for any employer. I understand this family were home schooled under the strict Christian ethos of their mother. They may be academically bright, but they are completely devoid of manners, common sense and the social skills tat would make them useful and functional members of society
Where is it written that the Irish Republic legally recognises any god? In the constitution?
The mammy runs a good school! https://www.bcs.ie/
Preamble, article 6 and 44 plus the requirement of office holders to swear to "almighty God".
Well if she believes that water can turn into wine then it can't be too much of a stretch for her kids to believe a man can become a woman 🤣
Threads with starting posts that are just a link are allowed?
I wouldn't mind but the link's not even clickable.
So lazy.
No mention of a Christian god. I can take the oaths mentioned with Roy Keane in mind, if I consider him to be a god.
I kind of do. Not really though. When he does his cross face... Love that.
Interesting:
ARTICLE 6
1 All powers of government, legislative, executive and judicial, derive, under God, from the people, whose right it is to designate the rulers of the State and, in final appeal, to decide all questions of national policy, according to the requirements of the common good.
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In criminal court cases at least, you can just make an oath instead of swearing to God. Time to update the Constitution! In God We Trust indeed. Is "God" explained in any legislation?
Edit: Nevermind, just had to read the very first sentences:
"In the Name of the Most Holy Trinity, from Whom is all authority and to Whom, as our final end, all actions both of men and States must be referred,
We, the people of Éire,
Humbly acknowledging all our obligations to our Divine Lord, Jesus Christ, Who sustained our fathers through centuries of trial,.."
All judges , presidents have to swear to almighty according to constitution us plebs can swear to anything.
His case was on the back foot from when he took it. Despise that family.
Irelands westboro Baptist church.
Being suspended for harassing a co worker and causing a disturbance at a work related event isn't a precedent.
What was the preferred pronoun out of curiosity?
Heard one the other day, the teenager in question wanted to be referred to as they or them.
It just seemed quite awkward to work it into a sentence if say you were speaking about the person?
I asked the person imparting this nugget could you not just use thems or theys name?🤷
The original person made it seem like I was somehow missing the point...which is probably quite likely as things do seem to be proceeding at a pace I can't keep up with anymore.
I think that he had a problem with using their new name as well, going on the article
"His suspension arises from alleged conduct after he publicly voiced his objections to the school’s request to address one of its students, who wishes to transition, using the pronoun “they” and by a different name."
https://www.thejournal.ie/high-court-injunction-teacher-westmeath-pronouns-5853324-Aug2022
Ah, the Westmayo Baptists strike again.
Who the hell keeps giving them jobs, does no recruiter do the faintest amount of due dilligence?
Charming altogether 🙄
I think this has some potential to become interesting. Unless I misunderstood they are arguing religious sensitivities as a basis for their refusal to adhere to the desired pronoun.
There have been so many cases with this particular line of argumentation in Europe (e.g. hijab or burqua ban in the workplace).
It might be interesting to see how the courts fare in a case where both sides are arguing particular sensitivities and conviction.
Sounds about right for that family of absolute lunatics
Good question in fairness...its the HR equivalent of Turkeys voting for Christmas!
In a court of law in Ireland would a judge be legally required to refer to you as "they" if you requested it during a court case? If not then this injunction makes no sense.
Exactly any "Burke" from Castlebar needs a much deeper background check to make sure it isn't one of this brood.
Sounds like you're a friend of the Burke family.
I don't think its normal HR practice to have a grudge against a family.
I'd imagine only if they have got legal recognition, otherwise the facts would be what they are imo.
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/birth_family_relationships/changing_to_your_preferred_gender.html
Also brings in the question as to if this lunatic of a teacher is somewhat right in refusing to use the new name at least. If legally changed, he can't say anything, but up to that point, he may have a point...
The government only allow Male/Female. Have a look at the form to apply for a Gender Recognition Certificate.
https://assets.gov.ie/38300/3f615ebf110d42e8a1b591385bb9dc7d.pdf
No but just because someone is detestable doesn't exclude the possibility they have a point. While people focus on the family and the purile nature of this man's "protest" they willingly ignore the ramifications for possibility that compelled speech might make its way into another common law jurisdiction. Forcing someone to say something that is inherently untrue is something straight out of 1984. There is a Latin phrase which translates as "ask me and I'll accommodate, tell me and I'll refuse".
Surprised it hasn't been changed yet!
If you had a business would you hire potential legal trouble/hassle ...would you want the HR department to?
It's normal practice to have a grudge against bringing trouble on yourself.
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