lets take it to be true that europe suffers from fuel scarcity this winter.
that only works until next april/may at best.
what happens after.
think a $17 trillion economy with 450m population can't adjust in a world with many oil producers and alternatives?
maybe europe could suffer 2 such winters. 3 if we're being far fetched.
thereafter fuel is no longer an issue. And Russia will feel the wrath of being perpetually cut off from the 2nd biggest economy in the world by gdp (EU). Russia's number 1 export destination ... gone. How long to replace that market? maybe a generation or two.
The 1st economy (US) will likely add to the punishment too.
Russia loses the long game every time if it plays with EU.
Guaranteed if the US, China and EU put pressure on it it would happen, China have huge economic pressures with their construction bust that they would prefer global stability.
We don’t get our gas from Russia.
And I’ll just use LPG from bottles which are plentiful if it comes to that. Simple switch setting on my boiler.
Simple.
You Russian lads aren’t all that clever really.
Evidently.
Western governments can assist citizens with costs if they want to. The price in lives of rewarding Russian aggression would be a lot higher. All Putin would achieve by turning off the supply would be to accelerate his own demise.
Seriously, just because we don't get gas from Russia do you realise how the international markets work?
Increasing inflation......Ok if that's your solution.
Better than yours - throw a sovereign nation to the wolves and reward fascist aggression. If prices rises are the worst thing I'll experience in this war then I can live with that.
Not sure I understand your stance?
You're saying the EU can sustain multiple years of no gas/oil from Russia? and its Ok for the GDP to suffer increasing unemployment or getting the magic money printer's going again post covid to increase inflation further?
You consider this as sustainable?
Your desired solution seems to be a final one.
If my gas bill is 2k ($/€2000 I assume you mean) in Feb then that means I am stupidly busy and driving crazy miles cause the only gas I ever buy is gasoline in the states.
I really hope you are right about my gas bill.
I'm not some Putinbot
Well you need to change your posting style so, cause you do seem like one.
China calls for peace but then they invade Taiwan,and then Tell the world to minds it's own business.
Not going to happen
Not sure if joking but as you know we don't call petrol/diesel gas here, unless you've modified your car for LNG?
Im saying EU with its gigantic financial power and infrastructure can take the hit and survive. We can take a step back, we'll still be living at a high standard. It won't be a multiple year issue.
Russia, with its low hdi, per capita gdp lower than Romania, and huge dependence on the EU market cannot take what will be dealt back. That will be a multiple year issue, we don't need Russia for anything other than gas. Once thats replaced Russia may as well be Mongolia to us. No more trade for you.
Think it works the same way for Russia, that Russia can do the same and just turn its back on Europe? Russias number 1 export destination since forever. Think again.
Some 70% of Russias population lives in the extreme west of Russia for a reason. There's fck all to the east. And a bunch of '-stans' to the south.
So just kill Putin, leave Ukraine. And the trouble is over. No need to risk national collapse.
And we can all go back to chilling out. Like it was 2013 again.
Not joking, the only time I buy gas is in that part of the north American continent where they call the common non diesel road fuel "gas". Oh and i am in Ireland right now.
This is not about being sent to war without a chance...Have you any idea what Russian military service entails? Even in peace times? So called "Hazing" of new recruits is the primary cause of the suicide rate amongst conscripts and it's the highest in the world. And still going on, despite reforms instituted in recent years. And if I was a betting man, I'd say that its gotten much worse since the war in Ukraine started....how to you get unwilling recruits to obey you? That's the whole purpose of hazing....you terrorize them, with brutality. So, yes. And if I lived in Russia ( and I did ) and had a son, and he was being called up for military service, I'd move heaven and earth to get him out it, either by getting him an exemption ( university) or into a branch of the military or civil service where hazing does not take place,,,, Apropos of nothing, if you had to go and fight in a war to defend your Country, would you go?
So you say it was stupid EU policy to give Russia so much power. And your plan to combat that is to end the war so we can go back to using their power 🧐
Bit of a head scratcher that one.
China is waiting in the long grass depleted Russians no ability to repel a border change. Not saying china is up to snuff militarily but they will be fresh and have plenty of tanks regardless of quality.
Wow, honestly shocked at how deluded people are, but hey, carry on
Way things are going Russia will not be supplying anyone soon. Well heads will not be able to restart.
And you consider a massive loss of Russian Gas / Oil to Europe, with the corresponding los of EU money to Russia a win for Russia? I don't think so some how... Europe will replace Russian Gas / oil far quicker than Russia will be able to replace European cash.
At this stage I wager another load of people falling out of windows and their assets frozen.
Have you never considered that it is your opinions and beliefs that are deluded rather than everyone else? What you want to happen will end up causing a worse situation for everyone especially when Russia decides it wants the Baltics and other areas back as part of the Soviet Union. At this moment in time Russia are attacking Europe. Ukraine is getting the physical side of it and are getting their cities destroyed, people killed, etc. We have higher prices. Which would you prefer, death, or higher prices?
You continue to go on about high gas prices. My heating is gas, and guess what…I can wear an extra layer of clothes. Even before the war started, we had turned the thermostat down to save energy and money. Europe is doing the same thing. Russia’s economy is going down the drain, and Europe is finding new suppliers of gas and oil. Even Germany has replenished their stock of gas, and so it’s not going to be as bad for them this winter as Russian lovers have been trying to tell us.
Before you accuse others of being deluded, get away from RT and TASS, and look in the mirror, and assess real world data. Russia can’t and won’t be allowed to bully Europe anymore.
Not sure what your delusion is about here pal. Since you've came on this thread it's been nothing but you whining about being inconvenienced because people might have to pay more for their heating, having to talk to Russia to end the war. Those ehave been your two talking points. No thought to the poor Ukrainians who have been slaughtered, or raped, or had their children taken from them and shipped off to some random shithole in Russia.
So you can take your little pity party and **** right off. I'm perfectly happy to pay more to heat my home, or whatever else I have to pay for, so these Russian Scum can get what's coming to them.
Reports of fighting and heavy gunfire in Kherson city this morning,
russian rustbuckets making a point while returning to base
Russia is both a collapsing mafia state shredding it's clapped-out army to bits over a few meters of mud in the Donbas, and a monster getting ready to steamroll from the Baltics to Calais in a few hours. Who's deluded again?
You eat gas, mikewest. It makes the fertiliser that grows all that stuff that provides you sufficient calories to make smug posts like this one.
There’s 450 billion euro sitting in Gazprombank and few hundred billion more Russian assets outside of Russia in Europe
since they are not supplying gas, and are a terrorist state, seize em
this can buy plenty of gas
Do you think their plan would have stopped at Ukraine if they hadn’t met the resistance they did?
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