Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Guaranteed if the US, China and EU put pressure on it it would happen, China have huge economic pressures with their construction bust that they would prefer global stability.

Evidently.

Western governments can assist citizens with costs if they want to. The price in lives of rewarding Russian aggression would be a lot higher. All Putin would achieve by turning off the supply would be to accelerate his own demise.

Increasing inflation......Ok if that's your solution.

Not sure I understand your stance?

You're saying the EU can sustain multiple years of no gas/oil from Russia? and its Ok for the GDP to suffer increasing unemployment or getting the magic money printer's going again post covid to increase inflation further?

You consider this as sustainable?

If my gas bill is 2k ($/€2000 I assume you mean) in Feb then that means I am stupidly busy and driving crazy miles cause the only gas I ever buy is gasoline in the states.

I really hope you are right about my gas bill.

China calls for peace but then they invade Taiwan,and then Tell the world to minds it's own business.

Not going to happen

Im saying EU with its gigantic financial power and infrastructure can take the hit and survive. We can take a step back, we'll still be living at a high standard. It won't be a multiple year issue.

Russia, with its low hdi, per capita gdp lower than Romania, and huge dependence on the EU market cannot take what will be dealt back. That will be a multiple year issue, we don't need Russia for anything other than gas. Once thats replaced Russia may as well be Mongolia to us. No more trade for you.

Think it works the same way for Russia, that Russia can do the same and just turn its back on Europe? Russias number 1 export destination since forever. Think again.

Some 70% of Russias population lives in the extreme west of Russia for a reason. There's fck all to the east. And a bunch of '-stans' to the south.

So just kill Putin, leave Ukraine. And the trouble is over. No need to risk national collapse.

And we can all go back to chilling out. Like it was 2013 again.

This is not about being sent to war without a chance...Have you any idea what Russian military service entails? Even in peace times? So called "Hazing" of new recruits is the primary cause of the suicide rate amongst conscripts and it's the highest in the world. And still going on, despite reforms instituted in recent years. And if I was a betting man, I'd say that its gotten much worse since the war in Ukraine started....how to you get unwilling recruits to obey you? That's the whole purpose of hazing....you terrorize them, with brutality. So, yes. And if I lived in Russia ( and I did ) and had a son, and he was being called up for military service, I'd move heaven and earth to get him out it, either by getting him an exemption ( university) or into a branch of the military or civil service where hazing does not take place,,,, Apropos of nothing, if you had to go and fight in a war to defend your Country, would you go?

Not sure what your delusion is about here pal. Since you've came on this thread it's been nothing but you whining about being inconvenienced because people might have to pay more for their heating, having to talk to Russia to end the war. Those ehave been your two talking points. No thought to the poor Ukrainians who have been slaughtered, or raped, or had their children taken from them and shipped off to some random shithole in Russia.

So you can take your little pity party and **** right off. I'm perfectly happy to pay more to heat my home, or whatever else I have to pay for, so these Russian Scum can get what's coming to them.

You eat gas, mikewest. It makes the fertiliser that grows all that stuff that provides you sufficient calories to make smug posts like this one.

Do you think their plan would have stopped at Ukraine if they hadn’t met the resistance they did?