You obviously didn't read it Tom, otherwise you wouldn't have asked the question.
Play it out fine. NATO takes back the nuclear plant and holds the ground. Kim Jong Un opps sorry Putin does the square root of fcuk all like usual. Just to rub the botox headed fool up the wrong way also we have all NATO livery removed from the troops and military equipment taking back the plant and have them all wear gay rights flags on their uniforms. This will have the added bonus of triggering not only Putin but all republicans in the US also. Win win.
Is there a possibility they may have a nuclear warhead left over from the handover… left behind a door by accident maybe?
Just a quick note on Ukranian missile tech, you'll know this if you are an aviation/space nerd like me.
The press always seem surprised with Ukranian ingenuity, but forget that Ukranian rocket and aviation engineers are up there with the best. From the world's largest Antonov aircraft to Space-faring rockets, the Ukrainians are no strangers to innovation.
In fact, the 1st stage of the successful Antarres ISS resupply spacecraft was built and designed in Ukraine. They are very capable of producing ultra long-range ballistic missile systems to reach even Moscow ( which isn't that far away. It surprises me that one of the first targets on Russia's bombing list wasn't the Ukranian aerospace facilities, which are still functioning.
They even pre-programmed the coordinates of the Crimean airbase into the HARM missiles and back-engineered the launch rail to fit an SU-27, together with a simple launch interface mounted in the cockpit.
This, OSINT people are quietly whispering, is their ace up their sleeve. However, they are reluctant to strike strategic Russian targets deep inside Russia for fear of angering the fearful West.
But, if it comes down to it, and Ukraine feels cornered if the war turns in Russia's favour, I believe Moscow will be targeted.
They have the capability. Question is, what will the warhead be?
David Attenborough presents...
BBC Planet Ukraine - HIMARS
Eh Russia don't/didn't abstain, that's one issue with the UN. It says they shall abstain, but they can still veto.
Decisions of the Security Council on all other matters shall be made by an affirmative vote of nine members including the concurring votes of the permanent members; provided that, in decisions under Chapter VI, and under paragraph 3 of Article 52, a party to a dispute shall abstain from voting.
That's the text from the UN charter, the shall seems to be the issue.
Your 4D chess is faltering on it's first move.
Bypassing the veto
The veto only applies to votes that come before the United Nations Security Council, so the United Nations General Assembly is unaffected. From Article 27(3), both elected and permanent members must abstain from certain votes about issues where they are among the interested parties.
Issue is China will fill the vacuum for now. I would disband the UN then no issue.
Who is they? The UN? A veto in the security council gets thrown down to the general assembly to debate why the veto was used. It doesn't actually nullify it and the general assembly can't veto the security council veto.
They already ignored a veto from the security council in relation to the general assembly.
That's all true, but vetoing a security council UN peacekeeping mission to Ukraine just takes a signature or a verbal objection? Surely they can manage that? That's your first 4d chess move, be a shame if it unraveled with just a signature or a verbal objection at a UN security council meeting from the Russians.
Well TBH non of the Russian kit seems to be working or very effective apart from artillery. There keeping the ships out of harms was it seems. Russia did not respond after it's jet was taken out. What the the Russians are willing to do vs what they can is completely different. As show in Ukraine. Poor equipment and soldiering. Unless you count looting and drinking as skills.
Can't Russia veto the UN peacekeepers as it's down to the security council? If Turkey wavers the attack clause, can't Russia just bomb Turkey and take over the Bosporus strait and send in more and more warships? Or they just send in the warships knowing Turkey won't attack as they have no NATO defense clause?
I have a 4d chess solution. See how far Ukraine can go in getting back territory. If it stalls for x amount of time. UN sends in the Turks as peacekeepers in a demilitarized zone setup around the offending areas. Turkey could do it as a non Nato member And waver the attack clause.
A Malaysian passenger airline was shot down by Russia with 0 blow back. So I'd tend to agree projecting strength is the only option.
Anything else just emboldens Russia. But you still get into a tit for tat and risk the war extending beyond Russia and Ukraine and quickly escalating.
Most of Putin's red lines have been crossed. Remember his speech about any western involvement would cause a retaliation the likes the world has never seen etc... personally I'd love to see a NATO training base right inside Ukraine's border just to piss him off or a NATO peace keeping force in Lviv.
His red lines shift so much, it's just case of easing them in. The west won't supply heavy armor until they do, they wont supply aircraft until they do etc...
It's like a slow boiled frog.
Russian jet was shot down by Turkey with 0 blow back. Strength is the only option.
NATO can always say it was little green men or NAFO, play them at their own game.
There's a high probability that if NATO rolled into Ukraine in force and pushed Russia out of all of Ukraine, there would be no blowback from Russia.
Puta can call it a special withdrawal operation and the public would lick it up.
However there's a small chance some NATO plane would mysteriously get shot down over the Atlantic or a ship sunk etc... and we enter a tit for tat game of ever increasing odds.
Easiest and possibly faster solution is arm Ukraine to the hilt and I mean western tanks and planes, yes they take a while to get trained in but ultimately in the end Ukraine will have all NATO gear as they move closer to the west. No point in delaying that.
Quite likely nothing as everytime putin got slapped down and “humiliated” he fades away somewhere for a while
Media can be extra cheeky and claim “special military operations to de naZify a nuclear plant”
Does Morgan speak Russian?
Putin finally sees which way the wind is blowing when he witnesses what true military power is. His ragtag army holding the power plants have just been crushed in a 30 minute blitz by NATO special forces, while all available russian airpower in the region never even left the airfield before it erupted in a fireball.
Putin, ever the hard man, ordered russian nuclear forces to defend the motherland and prepare to launch. Feeling proud, but scared, Dmitry moves his shaking hand over the fire control trigger, only to pause when he hears the unmistakable voice of Morgan Freeman telling him 'don't do that son'.
I'm assuming this is the answer you were expecting, yeah?
I guess they found the inflatable S-300's weren't that good at shooting anything down.
Doesnt help much if you dont have money to buy it
Russia is getting desperate they have pulled s300s from Syria to be redeployed in either Russia or ukraine,
The same s300s that were deployed to stop Israel bombing assad and Iranian forces, Israel has literally bombed Syria on a near weekly basis for the last few years and didn't have a single aircraft lost to Russian missiles
Oh I did.
So let’s play this out.
NATO moves in and attacks and kills or takes prisoner the Russian soldiers and weaponry that are holding the nuclear plant.
What happens then?
To remove them from the nuclear plants yes. Didn't you read my post?
Theatrical style of chat show hosting, interesting that they often are standing at lecterns. Adds a presidential and weighty look to it.
Spouting absolute garbage though most of the time.
Be generous and assume he was very drunk when he typed that barely intelligible message
Lots of stuff happening here. Don't know exactly what.
Sure they can, but when it comes to paying for it.....? Its not free. The Communist ethos of everything is free is long gone,,,you want something now in Putins Russia, you pay for it. Falling investment rising unemployment, shortages of imported goods, all add up to a shortage of cash. And in rural Russia, wood is the standby source of heating as the gas pipes often fail, pumps break down due to the extreme cold / bad servicing etc, and if that was not enough, you have the endemic corruption. In the apartment blocks, its a yearly battle to get the management to turn on the gas., and keep it on. Life in Russia is hard. On a balance, if I had to choose between spending the winter in Russia or Germany, I'd head for Germany...no question about it.
May the natural gas burn their ass and blow them all to hell as someone once said
I'm not a great fan of coincidences. She was targeting NATO officers. Putin's daughter married Jorrit Faassen - son of a senior Dutch NATO officer.
That’s a thought.
But, what I meant was inherent incompetence and lack of specialist skil and materials.
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