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Minister 'misinterpreted the requirements' after failure to declare second house in Longford

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    No you don't. You refuse to address how MM and LV supported Troy. You complained about the attention Troy was getting. You mentioned how we'd seen enough people commit suicide over online abuse. Now here you are pretending you're all onboard because a shinner didn't register a property. You've not only no credibility but your posting is like a parody account.

    As I said, you've little interest in Guirke outside of using him to deflect from Troy and MM/LV backing him all the way. You could easily start a thread on him, but that's no use for Troy.

    Neither are you unless you can raise it in the Troy thread to deflect.

    If the shinner was a minister pushing legislation to fill his own pockets I'd be as pissed off with him. I don't think any politician in any party should be involved in property during a crisis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Ah sorry, Francie - I thought you said that SF dealt with the TD in question there & then.

    So basically he was told he was a bold boy and not to do it again. OK............. not very convincing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,727 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    No, it's you that has double standards. SF has done what FF and FFG could not do and controlled the narrative. If anything further comes out Mr Guirke will be sanctioned. FF and FFG should have made Troy resign the moment the story came out and if they done this, they would have proven to be right in making him stand down.

    The Ditch might be slightly behind the Guirke story but so were other media organisations when it was the Troy story. The Ditch also added in more info that the Indo didn't add. The Ditch have now had stories on FF, FG, the Greens, Labour and SF which shows they are holding the powerful to account.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,349 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Way way ahead of 'Top Class' and 'I have full confidence in him' and 3 weeks of chaos and he resigned anyway...don't you think? And he still has to face the Dáil and more scrutiny.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel



    You see no matter what a SF TD does I wouldn’t approve of anyone carrying on the way people did over Troy.

    I am pointing out that the same people who spent all week telling everyone how outrageous and terrible this was, the guy was guilty and no need for legal review etc

    The same people are now making excuses for another TD.

    Not see the issue?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,349 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,727 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Would you prefer it if SF said he was Top Class? SF has come out and said if there are any more indiscretions he will be censured. What more would you like them to do? They have done more than FF and FFG did with Troy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Good to see other TD's being caught out. Hopefully more to come. The heat generated from the form filling could keep us warm over winter 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    That's not true. As i spelled out for you, you were complaining too much attention was being put on Troy. You cited suicides because of online bullying. Now, because there's a shinner, you want 'the same forensic investigation' carried out.

    Nobody is making excuses you are telling porkies. You are trying to equate them both, while the shinner was in the wrong, he wasn't pushing legislation to fill his pockets using my money. Neither of them are heroes BA. You wanted people to stop at Troy and move on yesterday. Today you want someone else treated the same. You're the only hypocrite on this. You won't even pass comment on MM and LV backing him all the way, but you are pretending to be disappointed because SF didn't go after Guirke as harshly as you'd like.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Innocent till proven Guilty was it not 😁 Shocked I say. Shocked.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    What's an appropriate sanction is a fair Question. Troy was a Minister,. He Resigned from his Ministerial Job ONLY and apparently so.

    What does a TD do 🤔 I don't know to be honest.

    I don't believe there is any mechanism to force a TD to resign their Seat (open to correction), loosing whip utterly meaningless.

    Possibly Financial Sanction, Loss of Salary but again that would require legislation I presume.

    I don't believe there are Easy answers re appropriate Sanctions but certainly Financial Penalties would be a motivation for less Misinterpretions.

    SIPO also need Teeth but successive governments have essentially ignored calls to strengthen SIPO'S Powers.

    #TroyStory if anything has highlighted the urgent need for reforms.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    Imagine someone came on and said, 'what's wrong with working hard and making money?' in Guirke's defence, or said there was too much online attention and referenced suicides? 😎



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    You are making excuses in your post 🤣

    I never asked for a forensic investigation, I said I hoped that the ditch would use it forensics analysis on all parties 👍

    Thats the difference here, I have no double standards. All TDs should adhere to the same rules


    But as I said, and let’s make this crystal clear. No TD, no matter what party, deserves the disgraceful carry on we seen this week from people online !!!! NONE



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,349 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I don't think you know what the word 'excuse' means.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,321 ✭✭✭jackboy


    The disgraceful carry on includes the relentless attacks on those who exposed this corruption and the attempts to deflect from the corruption.

    By the way, there is zero chance that the Sinn Fein TD’s corruption would have come to light without the work carried out by the Ditch. Those working for the Ditch are not idiots, they knew once they pulled the trigger politicians from all parties were going to be exposed. There are going to be more names in the next few days and they could be from any party.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,349 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    BA never stopped impugning the name of the Ditch and relentlessly avoided any negative comment on his leaders disgraceful support (Still supporting) for Troy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    I'm sick of the excuses by a cohort. There is only on person responsible for this situation. That's the TD in Question. Could have avoided all this by filling out forms correctly. Use of suicide is beyond Crass. And jumps on the back of genuine victims. I would be taking a long hard look in a mirror.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    No, I'm not. Never defended him. I even suggested you start a thread on him.

    Same thing. You wanted the same treatment for the shinner you were whinging was too much for Troy only yesterday.

    Yes all TD's should adhere to the same rules, but I'd bring in bigger fines.

    Ah, so you didn't mean what you said about wanting the same forensic analysis. Fair enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    No need to lie Francie 🤥

    and with that I’m out 👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Did I mention, I think the Ditch is Brilliant 😁

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,349 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You claimed the Ditch was motivated by a vendetta and a conspiracy to have a 'certain party' in power.

    And you have not criticised MM or LV for their costly and disgraceful support of Troy.\

    No lie



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    I think the spotlight on this TD has brought out a level of sensitivity like someone at the dentist with no anesthetic hearing the drill coming out. Everyone else responsible apart from those that fill out forms incorrectly. 😅



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭pjcb


    Robert Troy's submission of correction of many years of his Statement of Interests

    https://www.irisoifigiuil.ie/currentissues/ 26th August 2022



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,349 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Another 'lesson to be learned' if they had the cop on to learn it and how to get out in front of a story.

    Robert Troy still trending on Twitter this morning and the reason he is, is being analysed in the media. Complete incompetence and the arrogance of power.

    ,




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Careful now Francie, your linking to an article from "Right wing Media" 😏

    Morning 🙂

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    They've slapped him across the wrist and told him not to be a bold boy.

    Personally I'd like to see a list of all TDs identifying those with more than two residential properties. A principal private residence is reasonable and maybe a place to stay in Dublin when up on Dail business or perhaps a holiday home. But after that, TDs with suites of property and rentals should be clearly identified - for the benefit of the voting public.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,349 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Eh Furze...that has been demanded already...it's called The Register Of Interests.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    I already broke out the “trending on Twitter” numbers

    Sinple maths and we are talking about 200 actual people was required to make it trend the other day while the majority discussed Liverpool and Man Utd

    Its more telling that the other TD who was caught yesterday is not trending which again proves what account are behind these online escapades



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    No BA, your maths completely wrong on that trending score, must try harder. 🎓🎓

    I think if you were objective on the matter of #TroyStory, there's much, much, much more Misinterpretions in relation to Troy over 11 years, I might add, these were more than "Errors" and still no condemnation from FF or FG, shocking as that is.

    #TroyStory still getting mentioned on Twitter & indeed in most newspapers today, you'll need to take that up with their editors.

    Now with regard to the TD from the main opposition party, Disgraceful, also and immediately condemned by his party and leadership, oddly I've not heard any condemnation of him from MM or Leo, perhaps they are still licking their wounds so to speak.

    If Im correct this TD Made one error and is deserving of whatever Sanctions are appropriate but it's not trending because it's one error & immediately dealt with by his party, this is just a guess I might add but worth pointing out MSM not terriblly bothered either, Troy drip drip fed info, no one in FFG condemning his actions, he alone was the cause of debacle trending.

    Irish MSM are still focused on #TroyStory and NOW, two more naughty people from FF. #TROYSTORY revealed much much more than a politician forgetting to register a property with RTB I'm afraid and your completely ignoring all that has been revealed.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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