I brought my children to the playground earlier. If this is the New Ireland, get me on the next plane out of here with my precious children. Gangs of New Irish teenage scumbags ripping up the playground, shouting and roaring, spitting and cursing and intimidating smaller children- kicking their ball away and not letting them play on rides.
Just the type of people we need here, not.
A bit dramatic. A room in a Travel Lodge and a full Shake Dog restaurant to yourself ain't bad.
I’m not sure that you fully grasp demographics
Yeah this is definitely happening.
An example
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/herald/news/over-half-on-housing-list-are-foreign-27973856.html
This article from the Independent in 2011 ( media would be terrified to print similar nowadays) states that half the people on the public waiting list were foreign born with 1/3 of that figure being non EU people.
It also states that while people are waiting for public housing they are entitled to "claim rent allowance while they wait for public housing" which at that time was taking 6 years.
Imagine what the situation is like now.
Back to the current situation. As I said 88,000 people arrived in 12 months. Its unsustainable. We know that there isn't the housing , the healthcare to accommodate this many people . We are a victim of our own success but our infrastructure has fallen behind.
For the quality of life and the social contract of those living here we need to curtail immigration where possible.
You mean a bed in a hostel, meagre scraps and twenty quid a week are the ultimate goal in life? Ive my priorites wrong!
The two are seperate issues and not intertwined all that much - there are vacant properties so your ire should be at the government policy on housing and not immigration
https://www.thejournal.ie/vacant-properties-cso-5797970-Jun2022/#:~:text=Census%20shows%20166%2C000%20vacant%20properties,48%2C000%20vacant%20for%20six%20years
When they look at their pensions and think 'oh its not a lot'...!
I genuinely don’t know what anti immigration people expect to happen if we don’t import workers
Why do you think they come here to study and then return to Africa? They’re doing what you’re suggesting should be done without you even doing anything.
Usually you need proof of funds and/or a return ticket.
Plus you get no help from the government. You don't want to work in Aus/NZ you go broke. The government ain't gonna help you there.
Not like here where you can rock up to a country that a few weeks ago you probably couldn't find on a map and get accommodation, food and some money to boot.
Irish people are also aging fast - https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/7908d-minister-donohoe-publishes-population-ageing-and-the-public-finances-in-ireland-report/#:~:text=The%20scientific%20evidence%20is%20clear,medium%2D%20and%20longer%2Dterm.
More immigrant labour will be needed
Migrant workers are only entitled to claim Jobseeker’s Benefit if they have paid sufficient PRSI contributions through employment in Ireland. They are only entitled to claim Jobseeker’s Allowance if they can prove that they have lived in Ireland for some time and that they intend to stay in Ireland for the foreseeable future. Asylum seekers are not permitted to work unless they get a stamp 4. Most immigrants too are subject to the Habitual Residency Requirement (bar Ukranians) - https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/fc9c5e-operational-guidelines-for-deciding-officers-on-the-determination-of/?referrer=https://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Habitual-Residence-Condition--Guidelines-for-Deciding-Offic.aspx
Same applies for the Housing Assistance Payment where upon a person must be on a social housing list. There are quite a number of myths around this ...
People coming here obviously cannot bring houses with them so when they arrive they need somewhere to live.
The ones with good jobs rent privately and might go on to buy. There are others who go on public waiting lists and receive HAP and other benefits
Both groups are fighting for limited resources and a snapshot of Ireland at the minute shows a crippling housing crisis and multiple year waiting healthcare lists for 1 million plus people.
You are talking about an ireland with housing being so abundant that it is available to all who arrive here. Maybe to rent or to buy.
That's all well and good but how do we get there? What are people to do in the meantime? There is an article in the journal today showing a population rise of 88,000 in 12 months. We will never ever get ahead if this continues.
Immigration needs to be curtailed. Sharply
I can't get on board with the idea that newly arrived migrants should have equal priority for housing and resources as people who have lived here their entire life. There are a lot of people in the world
There is a shortage of Doctors and Engineers in Africa I think we should be encouraging them to stay where they are and maybe help develop their countries ?
I would be very interested to know in what way specifically multiculturalism is destroying Ireland vis a vis being a no go area
Irish culture being eroded? - Those Normans, Vikings and British people giving us their roads, legal system and education!
If you are going to claim what you are saying, cite some examples and we can go from there
You might want to go back and read who was being referred to - non-EU immigrants. That’s immigrants coming mostly from countries such as the US, Brazil and India. I also said that many of them are students who pay eye-watering tuition fees to attend our Universities, in order to gain a third-level qualification, which enables them to gain employment in the fintech sector.
The Gig economy isn’t just the last resort for those immigrants employed in those industries. For example I’ve known non-EU immigrants who as well as studying here in Ireland were working as kitchen porters and hotel staff before covid hit, and just by sheer virtue of lucky timing they were able to gain employment in industries which pay far better and have better working conditions than the tourism and food services industries.
This country is destroyed with multiculturalism and immigration.
Dublin is a filthy cesspit and a no go area. Talbot Street and Moore Street. No go areas.
Irish culture being eroded and dissolved more and more every day.
1000s more arriving weekly.
When is enough enough!
Dublin city centre has the highest concentration of foreign nationals. Parts of Dublins electoral wards have an Irish minority.
To claim all these lads are doctors and engineers is fanciful.
The vast majority of Ukrainians don’t work and if you look up the number of student visas issued and work permits issued; you’ll see that the majority of non EU immigrants aren’t here on work permits.
They’re unskilled workers in the gig economy or whatever, pushing down working conditions and driving up rents. I think, given the choice, the average Irish worker would prefer to walk to Boojum for their burrito. Their standard of living would drastically increase if we stopped handing out visas like snuff at a wake.
No we are supposedly one of the wealthiest countries in the world. Multinatiinal Corporation tax take swells the exchequer coffers yet the services remain crap.
I'm not buying that the idea adding more people will improve them
The reason I state that this notion of 'housing our own' is a redundant concept in a global society. Humans are much more intelligent creatures than we give them credit for, we should be able to park aside the notion of housing our own. If you did want to house our own who do we house first? Do we give it to people with Irish passports or people with connection to the country? Do we give places to those who left and never contributed taxes?. Financially there is an argument for a proper housing programme - it does three things - it builds houses where there is a shortage. It creates jobs for those who are out of work (construction is going to go bust soon). Finally it creates revenues for the state coffers. Housing shortages come down to a real divide and conquer scenario. We have single men, single mothers, mentally ill, those with physical and hidden disabilities, alcoholics and addicts and the list is endless. No one, including immigrants should be left behind when there is a sound financial premise with which to initiate a proper housing programme. Im glad to have a genuine conversation with you as you said minus the pot shots and labels mate
Spoofer… have a look in the north inner city streets on any given day to get an idea of who some of them are...big families.
A nation of 5.1 million people, and you’re suggesting anyone have a look in the north inner city streets on any given day to see who some of them are… and calling anyone else a spoofer?
Ok 🙄
Deleted. Wrong post
Some people are just living in complete clown world. SMH
Why would we not house our own first?
As in people whose families go generations back rather than housing people with no connection to the country or community and have just jumped off a plane.
What about those immigrants who don't contribute to the exchequer? Why should we give them HAP or housing ?
If we have a building capacity of 30k houses a year but have net immigration of 50 or 60k per year how can the housing crises ever improve?
Let's have a genuine conversation and ignore any shot taking or labels
The vast majority of immigrants are doctors and engineers? You need to lower your dose and please spare me the inane rambling paragraphs.
Just admit that you’re spouting nonsense and move on.
This is where most of the work permits are going.
“We would have seen, particularly in the last six months, a significant increase in all sectors,” he said. “The four main sectors that we’re dealing with would be restaurants, hotels, construction and the truck drivers. Right across those four sectors, there’s been a rapid increase in applications in the last six months because of shortages in the area.
Or the alternative view is that we have too few people to pay for the services that we want. Which will only get worse as our population ages. What we need are more young workers who don’t have a large demand on our services but who pay taxes.
Why does the conversation have to be about though housing our onw first? Would it be more productive to direct the conversation over building more housing? The net effect of immigration are those whom are doing the jobs which cannot be filled are contributing handsomely to the exchequer. Any conversation has to be about building more housing, not why the current shortage should be filled by us Paddies.
"Brazilians are non-visa-required nationals in Ireland,” says immigration lawyer Karen Berkeley of Berkeley Solicitors. “This means they can travel to Ireland to apply for permission to enter the State at the point of arrival, without first going through a lengthy visa application process at a local Embassy"
Sounds like a soft system. When does it get to the stage that a country tightens its immigration policies in line with its available resources.
The vast majority who come here just work and pay plenty of taxes and add to the country but our own citizens have nowhere to live, 1 million + waiting for healthcare etc. Too many folks chasing too little resources
What is the future of the country?
![Photo of [Deleted User]](https://w4.vanillicon.com/v2/44c0fea99ef280e7cbd83d135802cbc0.svg)
![Photo of [Deleted User]](https://w2.vanillicon.com/v2/22005654a5e7dcca0a284518584f6e86.svg)
![Photo of [Deleted User]](https://w0.vanillicon.com/v2/07abd39dc4f0afde3c391afc78cc920e.svg)
