So the balls-up has started since last night which makes Fairview from clontarf to Edges corner a single lane with bollards down the centre.
This will be a permanent feature and works will take 21 months.
are there plans to stop cars driving to the airport?
You seem to think because public transport couldn't cope if it was the only option for travel is a suitable argument for allowing drivers free reign of the city, but it isn't. You are talking about pure fantasy.
Complete 'carlessness' will never be a realistic option, but car use needs to be reduced. That's why active and public transport options are increasing. How do you not understand that?
Carless cities are being promoted heavily in the media.
There is a carless city planned for West Dublin and I take that as an indication among others that cars are being phased out.
If Dublin were to become carless then cars would be unable to drive to the airport.
No it's not a parody.
My perspective is that I like the freedom to have a personal vehicle. Why shouldn't I?
A bicycle or escooter can't carry luggage.
I can't ride an e-scooter from Baltinglass to Derry.
any examples of carless cities being promoted in the media? The carless suburb in West Dublin would suit a lot of people, I'd love to live somewhere with no cars.
Airports, ferry ports, park & rides would all clearly be an exception. No-one has ever suggested otherwise.
You are having a laugh now.
You still have the freedom to have a personal vehicle.
A bicycle or e-scooter can carry luggage.
You can't ride an e-scooter from Baltinglass to Derry, much the same way I can't drive my car from Dublin to Inishturk.
I linked an article up thread from Rte.ie. Also there was an Irish Times article re the Fairview mess which talked about less cars as opposed to replacing petrol cars with elec vehicles.
Yes it will suit some but if all cities are carless without exception I will not be a happy bunny.
Okay so when you're going to the airport or to stay at a friend's with two large suitcases you jump on an e-scooter?
You're the one having a laugh.
the link you posted is only talking about the city centre. Less cars doesn't mean no cars though does it? Of course we should have less cars do you not agree? what's the alternative? more cars and more infrastructure for them? look at the mess that has gotten us into
You are living in a fantasy land, thinking that cities will become carless. But car dependency needs to be reduced. You just can't understand that, because you only seem to care about what you want, and not the greater good.
There is no mess in Fairview. There's temporary road works taking place.
We're discussing 'carless' cities - e.g. a total ban on cars in Dublin by 2030
from the same poster, 18 minutes later:
please stop moving the goalposts.
You are the only one talking about someone taking two large suitcases to the airport on an e-scooter.
Carless cities are not being heavily promoted in the media. However, restrictions of private vehicles in city centres is being pushed simply because they are an inefficient form of transport and as mentioned where these restrictions are brought in, the roadspace is being reallocated towards more efficient methods.
This does not mean that cars will not be allowed into a city centre and never has been the case. Even Paris which has introduced massive changes in how cars can travel around parts of the city is already being deemed as a massive success.
As for the plan for West Dublin (which I'd take with a large pinch of salt!), this is not going to be a city - it is a small suburb with good transport links (road, rail, tram, cycle path towards town, etc.) and ideal for this kind of development which will take several decades to complete. In fact, the plans envisage car parks at the start. These forms of car-free area exist extremely well in other countries. Why would it be unsuitable in Ireland? Are we somehow different?
You are reading a headline about a carless city but failing to read the detail. You then allow this headline to fester inside your head before coming on the likes of here moaning about how your rights are being taken away. You really should be on Facebook if you are going to use that approach!
'A terrible diminution of living standards' can you back this up with anything at all? Because I've studied this extensively and living standards have been vastly improved in cities that limited cars and reallocated space to sustainable transport modes. Take Amsterdam for example which was chocked with congestion until the 1974 oil crisis precipitated a change in policy and a vast improvement of air quality, health, accessibility, reduced journey times and a whole host of other benefits. I've never came across a city that had the opposite experience as you are claiming.
Furthermore Dublin is one of the few EU capitals that has almost no restrictions on cars...yet. You don't like escooters, ok, but what's your point? You aren't required to use one, merely accept that they are a vastly more energy and space efficient means of moving a single person around than a car.
regarding the nonsense about living standards, the old adage springs to mind; that a society has matured, not when the poor can afford to drive, but the rich take public transport.
That's an old adage?
As for driving to the Airport with your 2 large suitcases, your parking is going to cost €250 for your two week holiday. So you must be made of money 😂
just googled it. newer than i'd realised, about ten years old supposedly.
anyway, how often do friends stay with you and bring two large suitcases? do you run a b&b?
Where can I park my escooter though? I am obviously going to ride to the airport on a children's toy as it's more efficient.
I can not take anyone seriously who is genuinely suggesting that there is a plan for the main international airport which is outside the M50, to become carless.
And to think some people thought you might have been a troll!
They're making smart comments at me so I'm making one back.
Realistically how many suitcases can you carry on an escooter?
It's for short journeys and therefore imo not comparable to a car.
T1 Short Term A has places to park your escooter. But best to get there early, as the other 90,000 passengers that day will probably also arrive by escooter and it might get a little overwhelmed.
these debates always come down to people quoting edge cases as if they're typical. and ignoring the fact that the goal is to reduce unnecessary journeys, and not to ban cars.
rough guess, if you pick a private car at random in dublin, what are the odds it might be carrying suitcases?
People need to transport all sorts of stuff though, not just suitcases. A lot of cars would have empty boots but many would have stuff in them.
Don't think you can expect that comment to be taken seriously. I guess you're just posting for a laugh?
Where on earth are you going with these stupid examples? You seem to have a real difficulty in following what has been posted already (in very simlple English) so I'll say it again: YOU CAN STILL DRIVE YOUR CAR - NOBODY IS TRYING TO STOP YOU.
Now shall we get back to discussing the apparent end of the world as far as traffic goes because the council are upgrading some water pipes?
I've been driving around with two bee hives in the back of my boot for 6 weeks now. It's driving my partner mad, as they can't put the weekly shopping in there. 😂
