So the balls-up has started since last night which makes Fairview from clontarf to Edges corner a single lane with bollards down the centre.
This will be a permanent feature and works will take 21 months.
Owen Keegan is it? I thought it was Eamon and The Greens' fault? At least that's what they're all saying on Facebook.
You should know by now that Eamonn and Owen pulled on their Lycra and their hard hats and decided on the traffic management plan after pints one Friday night. After a rowdy evening of cackling at motorists expense, they went home and burned an effigy of Connor Faughnan.
The thing is I don't think Eamon or Owen were in positions of power when this thing was proposed in the first place
Wasn't Keegan still still in the process of destroying Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown before he moved on to destroying Dublin City.
It's mostly the Greens fault though. And just wait until the next election, when the people who never voted green anyway, are going to vote them out!
It is quite funny to see. We live in one of the most consultative democracies in the world. You can hardly take a piss without 3 rounds of public consultation and a statutory appeals process and a high court review.
But people who I'm sure are otherwise intelligent, are stone cold convinced that eamon and Owen are supreme dictators and they've developed and designed every minute detail of the pitiful few sustainable transport projects we have. And it's not like we elected a government on a platform of improving public transport and cycling, which was central to the manifesto of FF, FG and Green party. It was also a key deliverable of all opposition parties, so not sure where this idea that they are being dictated to, the vast majority of the electorate voted for it.
there's also that cognitive dissonance of 'i hate those ineffectual salad eating greens' while also believing that they're running riot with the country and there's nothing FF or FG can do to stop them.
Indeed, what's more these policies are only going to be rolled out further and more often in a lot more areas regardless of who is in power
Indeed because its one of the few policies that has complete cross party support and indeed grassroots support according to the consultation and planning processes. Aside from the rural coalition of independent TDs going from 5 seats to a majority over night, they may just get used to it.
Consultative my hole.
The Government put people in lockdown and then DCC were reducing roads with bollards for cycle lanes put in when no one would see it happening.
I don't remember political parties campaigning on dismantling road networks or a big debate before the last election.
The story then (early 2020) was that electric cars would replace petrol cars. Now it seems 'carless' cities and ripping up roads is the 'solution'. So much for electric cars.
I agree however that it is not confined to the Green Party. Not sure why people are so focused on them.
Who cares if it was or wasn't seen? It was going to happen regardless. The bollards were mainly put in to protect cycle lanes that were already there. So your gripe is that vulnerable road users aren't as easy to kill anymore, is that it?
Electric cars will replace petrol cars, but car dependency needs to be reduced overall. Making other methods of travel safer is part of that approach. As is making public transport more reliable and available in all areas. The story you are listening to about cars replacing other cars is driven by car manufacturers, who don' t want their sales numbers to drop.
I don't remember political parties campaigning on dismantling road networks
where is this happening?
The story then (early 2020) was that electric cars would replace petrol cars. Now it seems 'carless' cities and ripping up roads is the 'solution'.
What roads have been dismantled or ripped up?
Nope my point is that there wasn't a big debate before the last election.
In 2020 or 2021 announcements and articles started appearing about getting rid of cars altogether.
DCC's approach generally is to just to tell people "this is the way it is now" and to go ahead restricting cars.
Here is an article from Rte.ie where one interviewee says e-scooters will be substituted for cars in Dublin. That is an obvious decline in living standards and one of the steepest in history.
People in the middle ages could ride in a horse and carriage but the people of the future will ride around on scooters like children?
getting rid of cars would improve living standards for all and we'd be healthier for it. Cars ruin cities.
Bollards were only placed on existing cycle lanes or were placed to part-deliver cycling schemes that our elected reps had been promising us for 10 to 20 years, for example the temporary and now permanently substandard liffey cycle route.
I haven't heard of any scheme that involves dismantling the road network and I'd I'd fairly tuned in to what's going on. Perhaps you can enlighten me?
Disagree and in Ireland in particular the public transport network needed to absorb the extra passengers from banning cars won't be ready in time.
Thousands of e-scooters barrelling around would be a nightmare. Pedestrians will be under siege.
Had a chat with a delivery guy:
"Ah jaysus, the traffic mental around the Northside now Fairview is closed up"
I replied, yes it is a pity all those people driving into town wouldn't use the public transport available.
"Oh but, they'd use it if there was a decent service"
Well, if I go down to Fairview right now, there is a bus every 30-60 seconds going along, plus a DART every 10 minutes.
"Oh yeah, I suppose. It'll be mental when the schools are back"
Why are these kids being driven to school in the middle of Dublin. They can't be more than a 1km from their school?
"Ehh.... it'll still be crazy..."
Same as last year so...
"Thanks have a good day!
People just love a good moan. It's part of the Irish psyche.
they're already under siege from cars, pedestrians are regularly killed by motorists, sometimes after they've mounted the pavement, many incidents of this in Ireland in recent years.
There are tens of thousands of cyclists out there in Dublin already and they're not sieging anyone.
How odd. The least car dependent cities in the world also have the highest standard of living in the world. Vienna, Copenhagen and Amsterdam have dramatically improved standards of living since they took steps to reallocate road space to sustainable modes. Why would you connect a drop in standard of living to this when all evidence shows the opposite? The escooters are for children comment is frankly childish and as logical as saying cars are for children because there are toy cars.
Have you any evidence to support this claim? The public transport network is being vastly improved. However, the biggest block to much of the road-going public transport (busses) is people in cars causing congestion at junctions!
Oh would you stop being so melodramatic FFS! It's tiresome nonsense!
So I guess you've missed the multiple public consultations on reducing car access to various places in the city then? That would have been a good place for you to have your say, but instead you think DCC just do what they want to reduce car access.
And do you really think people were roaming about the country and all heading into cities by horse and carriage in the middle ages?
People ride on scooters as it's a faster way of travelling for people, rather than using car or just public transport. Not everyone is entitled to drive wherever they want, whenever they want.
Being restricted access to mechanised personal transport at all is a terrible diminution of living standards. Yes people can cycle but they aren't disallowed from driving also.
The next step in an evolution from horse and carriage to horseless carriage (car) is not to an e-scooter.
E-scooters are little fiddly things, lesser than mopeds.
If every car user in Dublin decided to take public transport tomorrow the whole system would collapse.
Granted there is eight years to expand further but I would guess it won't be ready in time.
But that's not going to happen though is it? Most motorists are seriously entitled, and think they should be allowed to drive and park anywhere they want. Your attitude just proves it. Nobody is disallowing you from driving, road space is just being redistributed. If you choose to sit for long periods in your car, trying to drive somewhere, then that's your choice.
but no one is taking anyone's car from them?
that is the most histrionic nonsense i've heard in a long while. to the point it's quite funny.
Now you're just making assumptions. Did I say I was allowed to drive and park anywhere I like? We're discussing 'carless' cities - e.g. a total ban on cars in Dublin by 2030
And funnily enough, the guy quoted about e-scooters owns a business selling e-scooters.
Growleaves seems nice at least but I honestly can't tell if it's some kind of parody account
To take one example:
2.6 million passengers passed through Dublin airport in May 2022.
Could the Aircoach and the 16 bus transport all of them to and from the airport and around the city?
The expansion of public transport needed for carlessness to be practicable is off the charts.
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