The key elements include six high speed charging hubs on motorways capable of charging eight vehicles simultaneously; 16 high speed charging hubs capable of charging four vehicles simultaneously; additional high power chargers at 34 current 50 kW locations; upgrading over 50 22 kW chargers to 50 kW, and replacing up to 264 locations with 528 charge points at the pre-existing pilot grade of 22 kW to next generation high reliability models.
Exactly. Spot the ownership bias. FWIW I have one CCS car (Ioniq28) and one CCS+Chademo car (X75D). That's as close to charge standard agnostic as it gets.
Would you open a betamax shop?
If we don't then we have the same problem you've been complaining about, except it's for Chademo cars instead of CCS cars...
That's my point...
Try to find a chademo charger or somebody to repair a leaf or an outlander, which are still in production and still for sale and you shouldn't have too many issues
So we should always keep 1 side of a 150kW unit clear in the off chance a Leaf will arrive to pull 50-60kW from it, as opposed to adding another CCS plug in the highly likely event that there'll be more than 2 CCS cars there needing a charge...
Strange logic, but each to their own.
Use is approx 75:25 at the moment between CCS and Chademo at fast and HP chargers as per the monitoring site shared by a boardsie. This is only going to decline further for chademo. As usage is currently 3:1, three of every 4 plugs should be CCS only and one chademo only. That's the current usage pattern. As CCS gets more prevalent still and the chademo cars die off, this will be CCS only more and more. No point wasting money and resource on chademo.
I think the logic behind having 4 CHAdeMO plugs is that, in general, people don't consider other users. If there were units that cold support CCS only on one side, and CCS/CHAdeMO on the other side, then if a CCS car arrives and plugs in on the CCS/CHAdeMO side, there is no availability for a CHAdeMO user, even if the other side is not in use. If the site is busy, queue management can then become an issue.
Red Silurian pointed out an experience he had had where an owner chose a CCS/CHAdeMO point instead of a CCS only point.
Perhaps I am giving too much credit to ECars, but I would assume that their data shows the number of times CHAdeMO is unavailable despite not being in use and that it was decided that it made sense to have both connectors available at each charge point.
It's the same logic as putting both diesel and petrol at each point in a filling station. It would be cheaper to have a bank of diesel pumps and a bank of petrol pumps, but queue management becomes more problematic.
Sites should be either all CCS (like Ionity) or should have CCS & CHAdeMO available at each charge point.
If you own a betamax it will still play betamax tapes perfectly. Try getting a shop to provide new video in that format
Strange... I still own a Leaf and the Chademo port works perfectly... Can you explain your comment in more detail?
Leafs are not the future. Chademo is dead.
The problem with your solution is if 2 leafs came along they could both be potentially waiting for the CCS car on the dual-side to finish, even if nobody is charging on the single-side. While at the same time one of the leaf's would be waiting for the other one while the single side would potentially be free to another CCS car to rock up and go
It's impossible to square this circle and keep everybody happy :-)
The Delta unit can have a CCS and CHAdeMO cable on each side to cater for all CCS/CHAdeMO scenarios.
Other side of the argument is that a 150kW unit, which can load split to 2x 75kW, shouldn't have a CHAdeMO at all as almost all are 50kW limited and older Leafs may only take 40kW in practice.
These debates may never end until sites are built in the Kempower layout. Sh1t loads of connectors decoupled from the power modules with load sharing.
Which comment was completely inaccurate?
The HPC can charge both CCS & CHAdeMO simultaneity.
Kilcullen can charge 3 cars simultaneously, as can most of the sites with a HPC & FCP. The issue I and most have is the HPC only has a single CCS plug on it. If it had 2x CCS and 1 CHAdeMO, it could still charge 2 cars at once, but crucially 2 cars could be CCS.
Probably worth reading my comment again with teh knowledge that the HPC can charge 2 cars at once.
How is the same? The Delta unit has two cable. If CCS is in use only CHAdeMO cars can use the other side. If the 50kW is used by another CHAdeMO, which is sensible giving the fact that they can't charge faster anyway, all is lost.
I'm happy to be fact checked, no apology needed. So you are saying the CCS/Chademo (HPC) box can charge a CCS and Chademo at the same time? That I didn't know, and is a bit of a waste.
If a unit can charge 2 cars it should have at least 4 plugs
Sorry to fact check you
At kilcullen if the right cars show up you can charge 4.
Say the following: Zoe on AC 43. ID 3 on CCS 50kW , then HPC CCS in use by model 3 and HPC Chademo in use by an outlander phev (could be any chademo car)
How much extra does adding the Chademo plug cost? Some people on here recon it's about €100 per plug. To me a €400 once off payment to bring in the 30% of leaf drivers (and don't forget the early tesla adapters) doesn't really scream "Wasteful" but each to their own
In this setup you can charge 2 cars at once regardless of socket, so it's the same as the ecars setup at kilcullen except only one physical unit instead of 2?
Looking at the photos of the one in Kilcullen I see a 50kW unit that can charge either a chademo or CCS or AC43 and a HPC that can charge a Chademo or a CCS
So that site can charge 2 cars at the same time regardless of socket, meaning your comment is completely inaccurate
Yes I'd settle for that too as at least all 4 plugs are available to CCS.
I know the CCS vs CHAdeMO argument has been done to death etc... but seeing as how eCars will just not change their ways anytime soon, I think the best we can hope for is the way they've set up the Tuam 4 car 'hub' There are 4 spaces, and each space has a CCS or CHAdeMO plug available to it, so 4 CCS cars can all charge simultaneously, or 4 Leaf's can charge simultaneously..... (unlikely, but eCars logic means support CHAdeMO at all costs).
I think it's completely wasteful having 4 CHAdeMO plugs there, as 2 would probably suffice, but eCars are all about spending that hard earned money, so 4x CCS & 4x CHAdeMO it is...
I think outside of Mayfield, it's their best set up site as it's 4 spaces, and 4 CCS cars can charge simultaneously there.
If every eCars 'hub' was configured that way, you'd go as far as to say the network was sufficient, but as we are, the majority of their 'hub's can charge no more than 2 CCS cars simultaneously (down to 1 if a Leaf arrives and plugs into the (cheaper) 50kW unit at a 150kW + 50kW site).
Like the charger below. One side is CCS only the other one is CCS or CHAdeMO. Fastned is using them in this config.
Most of the ecars sites I've been to have the same number of chademo and CCS plugs but can only charge on one of those plugs at a time, so calling it a 50/50 split is inaccurate.
Thats why I said multi-unit sites, and I'm specifically aiming at the sites where they have a 150kW + 50kW unit. These are sites that can charge 3 cars at once just as long as one of them is a Leaf. I've been in Kilcullen before, with 2 CCS cars charging, and another 2 CCS cars waiting to charge, with 1 empty bay waiting for a Leaf to arrive...... in 2022 that's not right. Another CCS plug on the 150kW unit means it will see much more usage compared to it's current configuration.
I maintain, that every eCars site with multiple units (with the exception of Mayfield) is split 50/50 between CCS/CHAdeMO, and in 2022 where CCS cars outsell CHAdeMO by around 9:1 it's just idiotic....
Nothin g wrong there
Nothing where here though as spaces not correctly marked as EV only
I've seen similar except it's one van parked across both green spaces
I've always been tempted to wrap the cable around the van to try and trap them in place, but the gobsh*tes would probably drive away anyway and damage my car 😬
My favourite thing is the ESB and council coming together to put in a charger with 2 sockets but only painting 1 space green. This allows vans, cars etc to park there and block one of the sides. The long cable is mine. I'm parked 2 spaces away.
Those chargers in Laghy can only charge one DC car at a time, so putting on 2 X CCS cables would make no difference. They can charge 2 cars at once if one is using the 22kW AC connection, and there is a need for 2 spaces per charger as some cars and only charge in left space, others can only reach in right space. It also means if some car is abandoned in one spot there is a chance of connecting in other spot. It's far better than 3 spaces between 2 similar chargers like on other sites where if a car parks in middle spot they can prevent the other charger from being used by some cars depending on charge port location. Really they should be oriented like petrol pumps with room for 2 cars on each side. This would also allow EVs with trailers to fill up and the odd EV bus, van, truck and ambulance of which there is the odd one knocking about.
Oh I know, but they can double up the cables on one side, so you've the option of CCS or Chademo
So instead of 2 cars at a time, you can charge 4. And you can don't sacrifice CCS connectors to support Chademo
Those delta units can charge 2 cars at a time maximum regardless of whether the cars take CCS or Chademo
Most of the ecars sites I've been to have the same number of chademo and CCS plugs but can only charge on one of those plugs at a time, so calling it a 50/50 split is inaccurate. The last time I was at J14 they had 1 dedicated chademo, 5 dedicated CCS and 2 which has CCS and chademo.
When I got to J14 the last time an ID3 had just pulled in to the dual charger so he was taking a space a chademo could pull from despite there being 2 free "CCS only" spots. When I asked him if he'd move (he wasn't plugged in yet at that stage) he basically gave me the finger and said "first come first serve"
Lovely carry on from fellow EV drivers
