There are no Reds under my bed The USSR no longer exists. Well in some people's minds it does. Can't think whos though. 🤔 I have no idea why you say Anti Russian there is no reason to say that. It's not Anti Russian to point out facts.
Hi Timmy
You were getting back to me on what articles of the Geneve convention that Ukraine have violated, yeah?
"factual anti-russian" is the full quote, i.e. its correct and justified. Dont let that stop you from checking for reds under the bed though!
So is it Ukraine fault for bombing the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, even though the Russians have set up firing positions there? After all you prefer to blame the people doing the bombing
I'd still prefer to lay the blame on the people doing the bombing.
Must let all the military minds in NATO, USA, UK. Never to prepare for street to street fighting in urban areas. I have a Mad Idea Imagine the Enemy does not want to fight around the new bases you put up ? 🤔 Could just go round and turn another city to dust with artillery.
Anti russian you say.. Seems an odd choice of words.
They could continue to use evacuated commercial and industrial regions as bases, as they have in large parts of the country.
Setting up bases, mortars, howitzers, AA, all in residential areas is a war crime, as there is no reason to do so other than to try and make your own position less likely to be struck for the fear of civilians being injured. Its no different to the Russians using the NPP in Energodar as a firing position.
Of course
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/07/ukraine-russian-soldiers-filmed-viciously-attacking-ukrainian-pow-must-face-justice/
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/07/ukraine-civilians-killed-by-reckless-russian-attacks-on-serhiivka-apartment-block-and-beach-resort/
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/06/ukraine-russia-death-sentences-against-three-foreign-members-of-ukrainian-forces-by-separatists-courts-a-blatant-violation-of-international-law/
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/03/everything-is-on-fire-one-month-since-the-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/
And this is just a small snapshot of the publications Amnesty have against Russia. Their own website archive has over 400. The above are just some of the publications theyve made this year.
But sure Amnesty never call out the Russians right? All a big conspiracy by the Russians to undermine Ukraine?
Some of the stuff in this thread belongs in conspiracy theories, its bonkers. Russians somehow infiltrate Amnesty (after banning them from their soil) to make them publish one piece calling out Ukrainian endangering civilians, and yet the Russians were happy to let Amnesty publish hundreds of factual anti-Russian articles detailing their war crimes.. lol
So the Russian's aren't shelling the nuclear plant then. Why is the media telling us they are?
Ehh the point I was making completely flew over your head.
Where is all the media hype over the amnesty criticisms of Russia?
Russia at this stage dont care about reports criticising them. This report agaisnt Ukraine has been massive news and is like a big gift wrapped up and delivered to Putin and his army of social media trolls ready to discredit Ukraine.
What is a defending army supposed to do when under threat? Gather in the middle of a field for annihilation? No war crimes at all would exist without the illegal and immoral invasion.
Now can you tell how Ukraine could even attempt to mount a defense and protect their citizens against the tactics employed by Russia without deploying forces in built up areas?
If this was to move from an invasion to occupation at some point, and the remnants of the Ukrainian military and civilian supporters mounted an insurgency, many of you guys would still be both sidesing and probably referring to insurgents as terrorists
Russia doesn't care about Amnesty and what they say about them. They just want less support for Ukraine and if this means they need to go to an organization which they otherwise despise then that's what they'll do. It's not a delusion, I just know them better.
They could shell the plant purely for the purpose of blaming the Ukrainians. False flag operation.
Amnesty must. They must have said a lot of things about this have you a link ?
Yes you could say amnesty has criticised Russia too on several occasions, but where do you hear about this in the media? you have to actively seek out these reports criticising Russia.
Eh? are you living under a rock?
Every day there are articles about russian warcrimes in western media. Its headline news for months about the latest russian attack etc, russian warcrimes, bucha, mariupol, vinnytsia, etc etc.
Do you live in a cabin in the woods?
The people both siding the amnesty report are really not taking into account the context the damage this report has done.
For a start it has played a blinder for Russian propaganda. Yes you could say amnesty has criticised Russia too on several occasions, but where do you hear about this in the media? you have to actively seek out these reports criticising Russia. Russia dont care about the criticism against them, but them will damn well use the report against Ukraine as much as possible too push their propaganda.
So the report criticises weapons being near civilian populations, would they prefer ukraine to leave them all out in an open field for Russia to target and destroy?
Where is the amnesty report against gaza or Palestinian insurgents who have far more blatantly put civilians in harms way?
Also their are questions about some of the sources they used to make up this report, talk of Russia hand picking witnesses to make up this report, although this talk as far as I can see has not been bourne out by any evidence as of yet.
Odd that amnesty has back peddled on it though don't you think ? Resignations the whole shebang. I could be wrong But Not monitoring the UN much, Not a peep out of them about this ? Stand to be corrected ofc.
Everyone knows that Russia has committed loads of war crimes, there is no dispute about that.
But the fact that Russia has done bad things does not absolve the Ukrainians from doing similar bad things.
i couldn't understand why they would be shelling a plant they 100% control either, but then it was mentioned that they are shelling the outgoing powerlines in an extremely crude method of disconnecting the plant from the main Ukraine grid, with a view to reconnecting it to Russia/Russian occupied territory. seems nuts, but given they haven't shown themselves the brightest bunch, i think it's quite possible
edit: a link to at least one article regarding the above: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-says-russian-shelling-hit-power-line-nuclear-power-plant-2022-08-05/
Do you believe defending your territory using whatever means you can is the "same standard" as a brutal invasion of another country with indiscriminate shelling and bombing of residential areas?
This is not a war over disputed territory, it is an invasion of a soverign state. "Same Standard" does not in any way apply. But even so, how many of the below are vbeing breached by either side, if we want to look at the "same standard". For comparison purposes I have highlighted those that have definitively been breached by the invaders. But but, you know, both sides
For the purpose of this Statute, ‘war crimes’ means:
There was a military expert on TV yesterday who said that the Russians were firing artillery from the nuclear plant area. The Ukrainians fired back to take out the Russian artillery. That’s how the plant was hit.
They should send that Article to a certain embassy. I wager I would be able to hear their laughter from here. Only one group committing war crimes.
You might want to give brief explanation of where Ukraine breached article 8, while also defending Russia for witdrawing from various protocols of the Geneva convention.
I would be embarrassed linking to un and war crimes at this stage. Did amnesty ask the Ukrainian civilians if they had a problem with the troops and weapons ? Should cities villages towns remain unguarded let invaders just roll in.
He murdered his way to power and is still murdering.
Do you believe that defending territory gives you permission to ignore Article 8 on definition of war crimes?
Amnesty holding both sides to the same standard
I presume Ukraine were launching an invasion of another country from those areas documented by Amnesty and not defending their country from invasion?
To set up a defensive position I presume.
You dont defend a position by shelling it though - very different to whats allegedly happening now.
What do they gain from shelling their own nuclear plant? A plant they are relying on to power occupied Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions.
Some people said its blackmail - if its blackmail then where are the demands? Where are the threats? How can they hope to blackmail and gain something if they arent even demanding anything or claiming they are responsible?
Well, they did blow up their own prison.
And a couple of decades ago Putin did blow up apartment blocks in Moscow to blame others.
Why did they dig up the ground around Chernobyl ?
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