On RTE radio 1, a guest nuclear expert said there is unlikely to be a Chernobyl type accident as the Ukraine plant uses different fuel types. He did say local rivers and some kilometres around the plant could be badly damaged - and because it’s a deliberate military attack on a nuclear plant he cannot definitively say it wouldn’t be worse than that.
But, it does seem like Russia could somewhat safely terrorise the world by attacking the plant with little risk to Moscow.
I’m leaning towards a low level partisan attack that got real lucky.
if it happens that the powerplant takes a direct destructive hit from the Russian's, then all restrictions regarding retaliation should be off the table, including massive strikes against all Russians on the territory of Ukraine by NATO, and that includes Crimea.
Should just send in the Turks. Remember WW3 over them shooting a Russian jet down.
Jesus, nearly half a year into this nightmare and still entertaining fantasies that NATO will launch a full scale attack on Russian forces? Wake up, it's not going to happen no matter what, the assistance will remain indirect but effective, as it is now.
There's a threshold for every scenario, been lots of time for NATO allies to consider and work out plans. As long as the conflict is limited to 'conventional means' I think you're right, just be indirect assistance. Any sort of nuclear escalation though would surely be a threshold for greater intervention. Or possibly some devastating chemical or biological attack. Surely the Russian military know what these boundaries are as well and how far they can push it.
This is proper 'reds-under-the-bed' stuff.
Amnesty holding both sides to the same standard is actually Russia pushing Amnesty to make Ukraine look bad - but yet Amnesty are still calling out Russia and have been banned from the country. 🤔 Sounds more like a delusion on your part
Why would Russia shell a power plant that they occupy 100%?
The line of conflict is nowhere near the plant either
Why did they dig up the ground around Chernobyl ?
Well, they did blow up their own prison.
And a couple of decades ago Putin did blow up apartment blocks in Moscow to blame others.
To set up a defensive position I presume.
You dont defend a position by shelling it though - very different to whats allegedly happening now.
What do they gain from shelling their own nuclear plant? A plant they are relying on to power occupied Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions.
Some people said its blackmail - if its blackmail then where are the demands? Where are the threats? How can they hope to blackmail and gain something if they arent even demanding anything or claiming they are responsible?
Amnesty holding both sides to the same standard
I presume Ukraine were launching an invasion of another country from those areas documented by Amnesty and not defending their country from invasion?
Do you believe that defending territory gives you permission to ignore Article 8 on definition of war crimes?
He murdered his way to power and is still murdering.
I would be embarrassed linking to un and war crimes at this stage. Did amnesty ask the Ukrainian civilians if they had a problem with the troops and weapons ? Should cities villages towns remain unguarded let invaders just roll in.
You might want to give brief explanation of where Ukraine breached article 8, while also defending Russia for witdrawing from various protocols of the Geneva convention.
They should send that Article to a certain embassy. I wager I would be able to hear their laughter from here. Only one group committing war crimes.
There was a military expert on TV yesterday who said that the Russians were firing artillery from the nuclear plant area. The Ukrainians fired back to take out the Russian artillery. That’s how the plant was hit.
Do you believe defending your territory using whatever means you can is the "same standard" as a brutal invasion of another country with indiscriminate shelling and bombing of residential areas?
This is not a war over disputed territory, it is an invasion of a soverign state. "Same Standard" does not in any way apply. But even so, how many of the below are vbeing breached by either side, if we want to look at the "same standard". For comparison purposes I have highlighted those that have definitively been breached by the invaders. But but, you know, both sides
For the purpose of this Statute, ‘war crimes’ means:
i couldn't understand why they would be shelling a plant they 100% control either, but then it was mentioned that they are shelling the outgoing powerlines in an extremely crude method of disconnecting the plant from the main Ukraine grid, with a view to reconnecting it to Russia/Russian occupied territory. seems nuts, but given they haven't shown themselves the brightest bunch, i think it's quite possible
edit: a link to at least one article regarding the above: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-says-russian-shelling-hit-power-line-nuclear-power-plant-2022-08-05/
Everyone knows that Russia has committed loads of war crimes, there is no dispute about that.
But the fact that Russia has done bad things does not absolve the Ukrainians from doing similar bad things.
Odd that amnesty has back peddled on it though don't you think ? Resignations the whole shebang. I could be wrong But Not monitoring the UN much, Not a peep out of them about this ? Stand to be corrected ofc.
The people both siding the amnesty report are really not taking into account the context the damage this report has done.
For a start it has played a blinder for Russian propaganda. Yes you could say amnesty has criticised Russia too on several occasions, but where do you hear about this in the media? you have to actively seek out these reports criticising Russia. Russia dont care about the criticism against them, but them will damn well use the report against Ukraine as much as possible too push their propaganda.
So the report criticises weapons being near civilian populations, would they prefer ukraine to leave them all out in an open field for Russia to target and destroy?
Where is the amnesty report against gaza or Palestinian insurgents who have far more blatantly put civilians in harms way?
Also their are questions about some of the sources they used to make up this report, talk of Russia hand picking witnesses to make up this report, although this talk as far as I can see has not been bourne out by any evidence as of yet.
Yes you could say amnesty has criticised Russia too on several occasions, but where do you hear about this in the media? you have to actively seek out these reports criticising Russia.
Eh? are you living under a rock?
Every day there are articles about russian warcrimes in western media. Its headline news for months about the latest russian attack etc, russian warcrimes, bucha, mariupol, vinnytsia, etc etc.
Do you live in a cabin in the woods?
Amnesty must. They must have said a lot of things about this have you a link ?
They could shell the plant purely for the purpose of blaming the Ukrainians. False flag operation.
Russia doesn't care about Amnesty and what they say about them. They just want less support for Ukraine and if this means they need to go to an organization which they otherwise despise then that's what they'll do. It's not a delusion, I just know them better.
What is a defending army supposed to do when under threat? Gather in the middle of a field for annihilation? No war crimes at all would exist without the illegal and immoral invasion.
Now can you tell how Ukraine could even attempt to mount a defense and protect their citizens against the tactics employed by Russia without deploying forces in built up areas?
If this was to move from an invasion to occupation at some point, and the remnants of the Ukrainian military and civilian supporters mounted an insurgency, many of you guys would still be both sidesing and probably referring to insurgents as terrorists
Ehh the point I was making completely flew over your head.
Where is all the media hype over the amnesty criticisms of Russia?
Russia at this stage dont care about reports criticising them. This report agaisnt Ukraine has been massive news and is like a big gift wrapped up and delivered to Putin and his army of social media trolls ready to discredit Ukraine.
So the Russian's aren't shelling the nuclear plant then. Why is the media telling us they are?
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