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About right I think.
OK.
So it's not corruption, but it's more than mere coincidence... so what's your theory?
So you want harsher targets but farmers should be left alone?
Doesnt make sense to me.
OK, so you agree its not corruption.
Thanks.
Lol , you really should look at the reactions to that absurd tweet, no context, no substance, not even the source mentioned, Charlie Flanagan FG retweeted it and is somewhat regretting it, particularly in light of today's Daft reported 😏
The Tweeter has another silly tweet today about car sales, focusing on Electric, it's not going terribly well either .
Setting goals for 2050 when we should be setting achievable goals that we put into practice now and not like the government is doing which is kicking the can down the road leaving us less time to reach our targets.
If you can find a definition of achievable that everyone will agree on and will help enable, sure. A lot of what we need to help us with these changes is barely in existence. There is also an element of managing change in the public psyche. Change management and resistance to change is the bane of all organisations. More modest targets for 2030 will persuade people more readily to get behind where we are going. Beyond that we may surprise ourselves but very long term plans are still prudent anyway to show the steps to where we want to be.
Did somebody mention corruption?
I don't have insight into the dealings of government. We can only go by the amazing, seemingly too good to be true, fortunes of some people. I can't say whether they are or are not corruption. You seem obsessed. Let us just wallow in the incredible good fortunes of people buying up struggling hotels only to be awarded lucrative state contracts.
They don't top siteserv though on the absolute good fortune.
No because folks pointed out the fact no context was offered, anyone can throw up meaningless figures and present a narrative that suits , Heck some even throw up data, Lists with missing information, countries for example, France, Italy so to speak 🤔🤔
Are you back to the rather old data re HDI you presented that was 2 years old 🤔
Are we still talking about Irish Water?
Some of the initial Irish Water contracts were 100% corruption. Did I not spell that out? Happy to go again. 100%
A driver for a FG hack getting gifted a job on the Irish Water board is how FG do business.
O Dear , The junior minister has been getting quite a lot of attention on Twitter for past few weeks , nothing untoward so to speak but mention of a property he's renting out in Dublin and other matters, This doesn't look good at all.
I don't have theory, I like countless others find it bizarre.
No I want targets that are achievable and can be reached by all involved. If say we set it at targets at 20% we can start aiming for them now than kicking the can down the road. Once we have reached these targets it easier to increase them slowly.
If you look at emissions from all sectors, most are making an effort but Farmings is basically rising year on year for the last 4 to 6 years. That have to fall into line at some point.
I agree they have to fall in line but they might need incentives. Why do we get them to decrease their herds and then import cheap beef from Brazil. Think of the carbon footprints importing from Brazil not to mention the damage being done to the Amazon Forest.
What effort are the airlines making?
No because folks pointed out the fact no context was offered,
Yes, because the Dr. Harold stuff you post and the constant drip feed of negative news you go out of your way to find here, gives context?
You don't even bother to read most of the articles or stuff you post, either.
Wont fool ol' Marko with that carry on Dempo.
OK, but you think it's more than coincidence which means there is some shadow hand in there somewhere making this 'happen', yet you won't say it's corruption because you are now too proud to speil that excuse out.
Right so...
What if the scientists say we cannot wait to figure it out and get to 20%, we need 25% or 30% ASAP?
Are they wrong?
OK, so please give me the details on this corruption.
Who was gifted money to who to get x contract.
What politician personally benefited financially from this?
Who paid who?
Was there ever a criminal case if this was '100% corruption'
SHould be easy to explain, if it was '100% corruption'... am I right?
Whats the fantastic Dr Harold got to do with the Tweet you linked to exactly 🤔 actually you should see his latest tweet , actually 2 , Leo and Simon won't be pleased, I won't link as I know you disapprove.
I'm actually extremely careful to read everything i post as you've discovered, going to extraordinary lengths to detail what I say and of course avoid saying things I shouldn't 🤔🤔 , I do try not use contentious words so to speak .
I don't know all the facts which is why I am not stating its corruption but I can say its bizarre.
Well, we need targets that can be reached now and not down the line. Achievable targets are something we should be aiming for now and not down the line. The scientists might not be wrong but we have to compromise and we don't do that by putting more pressure on farmers. We have to bring them along the journey, smiling and happy to help instead of kicking and screaming.
Marko if you look in the mirror you are fooling yourself.
Very good point, but that's FF/FG. Turkeys don't prosecute Christmas.
Moriarty gathering dust.
I see you forgot to reply to my Privatisation response. 😉 Anyhoo.
So are you one of these people that think Haughey could afford a yacht, mansion and island by being frugal? Or that Bertie won the money on a horse?
At the risk of repeating myself....the trail has gone cold.
Unfortunately (for you) they wont let me investigate and anyway I think they deleted a lot of minutes 😂
The setup was handy in terms of governance and oversight. Didn't Tierney refuse to answer questions on it...
Troubled water: Matter of time before Irish Water is submerged in another major crisis (irishexaminer.com)
Born under a cloud of opprobrium back in 2013, amid accusations of squandered State funds during its establishment and the almighty row over water charges, it was intended to revitalise the country’s crumbling water infrastructure. The utility is neither fish nor fowl; it’s run on a commercial basis, as a subsidiary of Ervia, but, since it can’t collect water charges from households, it’s publicly funded.
Despite the public funding — to the tune of €1.4bn in 2021 — the utility is exempt from audit by the Comptroller and Auditor General, the State’s accountant, with private consultants Deloitte instead doing the honours since 2014. More recently, some of the strains of that particular public/private contradiction have begun to show.
There are no records of some meetings Phil Hogan had about Irish Water (thejournal.ie)
NO RECORDS OF what was said during two meetings between Phil Hogan and Bord Gáis over Irish Water in the summer of 2012 exist, it has emerged.
RTÉ’s This Week programme reported yesterday that there are significant gaps in information about what was discussed between Bord Gáis and the Department of Environment in the first six months of the roll out of Irish Water.
When controversy arose over the new semi-state’s spend on consultants earlier this year Hogan told reporters on 15 January that he was not specifically aware of how much was spent on consultants.
Just when Siteserv was being investigated (after they won the metering contract)
NEW: Transcript Proves Hogan Misled Oireachtas on Set-up Costs of Irish Water (fiannafail.ie)
Fianna Fáil Environment Spokesperson Barry Cowen has provided evidence to the Dáil that the Environment Minister Phil Hogan misled the Oireachtas about the set-up costs of Irish Water.
Deputy Cowen has provided a transcript from the Oireachtas Environment Committee in November 2012, showing Minister Hogan outlining set-up costs for Irish Water of €10 million. This came three months after we now know that the Economic Management Council had secretly approved funding of €180 million to set up Irish Water.
Deputy Cowen Explained, “Either Minister Hogan deliberately lied about how much taxpayers’ money was being spent on setting up Irish Water, or he accidentally gave a gross underestimation to the Oireachtas Environment Committee in November 2012. Either way, we now know as a result of yesterday’s PAC meeting that when Minister Hogan publicly stated that the cost would be €10 million, he knew that €180 million had already been committed three months previously.
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A lot to investigate if FFG have the will....
Jerry Grant took over from Tierney at Irish Water. Grant was managing director of RPS from 2002 until 2012 before he joined Irish Water. Tierney was Dublin City Manager from 2006 to 2013. RPS advised DCC on the Poolbeg incinerator project which cost the state almost €100million with more than €30million going to RPS even though the original contract was for €8.3million. Nice. The EU found that his contract did not conform with EU law!! How did he get Irish Water gig when he failed so badly in DCC on Poolbeg?
Look at John Tierney's pension. When he joined Irish Water he made a deal that his pension (470,000) was payable as soon as his contract ended. In DCC he wasnt entitled to his pension until 60. He left Irish Water after 3 years aged 57. The special deal was signed off by Hogan. Lessons were promised at the time.
I could go on. All the contracts should be looked at.
Irish Water will spend nearly €86 million on consultants, contractors and legal advice (thejournal.ie)
Irish Water will spend nearly €86 million on consultants, contractors and legal advice.
IRISH WATER WILL spend just under €86 million on consultants, contractors and legal advice as part of an overall budget of up to €180 million to establish itself, the Oireachtas Environment Committee heard today.
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And I haven't got back to you on pensions, expenses and bonuses. Give me a while...
Ah yeah, but because they never investigated themselves or were brought up in front of one of the judges they appointed...it was, well ...
We need a clean sweep of these hoodlums.
Are FFG going to give those on disability payments the 350€ that they judged to be the living wage during COVID?
I seem to remember this guy
A good ol Hugh McElvaney who is now independent.
Just like Lowry.
And like Lowry still in politics.
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