NATO acting against Russia means direct conflict between nuclear powers and an actual nuclear exchange, in which we all lose. Only a fool would advocate for that.
An incident at the nuclear plant in Energodar would effect Moscow as much as it would Central Europe. It is in nobodys interest to have an incident there.
As for the damage thus far, its been admin buildings and switchgear equipment, not any power generation/reactors. Also seeing as Russia are in control of the plant, and the plant is supplying power south to occupied Kherson and Zaporozhzhia regions, it wouldnt make much sense for the Russians to bomb it themselves.
We don't know that at all tbh. An incident at the plant could make the European continent uninhabitable for hundreds of years. If this isn't the exact moment to use the full force of NATO to kick the Russians back behind their borders i ask when is? People don't seem to realise how lucky we got with Chernobyl we might not be so lucky again.
NATO stepping in will lead to catastrophe. NATO intervening directly in Ukraine will create serious risk of nuclear exchange.
Nobody seems to be listening. Absolute catastrophe unfolding right before our eyes. NATO needs to step in here before it's too late.
U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres called for international inspectors to be given access to the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant after Ukraine and Russia traded accusations over the shelling of Europe's largest atomic plant at the weekend
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The last point is missing the point, which is about western countries maintaining close ties with awful regimes as long as it suits them economically and politically and how human rights for oppressed groups matter much less when it comes to those countries. Likewise the USA lecturing countries about redirecting sovereignty after what it did in Iraq etc. It is hypocritical. I also understand why it happens
Are they though?
Criticising their statement last week is perfectly justified, I did too.
Going from that to "it's full of left wing do gooders who only criticise the USA and the EU, oh and probably it's got corrupt ties to Russia as well", as more than one poster wrote, is stupid and just plain wrong.
I would be very surprised if NK get involved in Ukraine, very surprised.
I hate the Irony of soviet era cruise missiles landing back in Ukraine. Up point though If NK come in Ukrainians get some more target practice send in greener troops to get battle experience.
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None of these useful idiots take into consideration the fact that Russia recognised the independence & borders of Ukraine & that Ukraine handed back 600 cruise missiles, long range bomber squadrons, large amounts of military hardware & nuclear weapons to Russia with the Budapest Memorandum 1994.
Russia & Ukraine also signed a friendship treaty in 1997. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian–Ukrainian_Friendship_Treaty
I reckon most of those 600 cruise missiles have been fired back at Ukraine, along the bombers & weapons used against Ukraine. So the west made up the shortfall, fair enough I reckon.
The useful idiots just call for the west to stop giving Ukraine weapons to defend itself, then essentially calling for a ceasefire so that Russia can consolidate their imperialist gains carved out by rapists, looters, enslaving & removing people from their land & mass murder on a scale not seen since WW2 in Europe.
They call for peace with Russia, with no honour & more war to come at a later date for Ukraine.
Decolonisation, when it's Russia doing exactly that recreating the imperial Russian Empire.
Decarbonisation, so more reliance on Russian fossil fuel supplies for western nations.
Demilitarisation, obviously just for Ukraine, they certainly don't mean Russia.
Anyone advocating such proposals as above is a threat to modern western values & democracy. I don't care if they are hard left or far right. Law enforcement agencies in western nations should be investigating the bank accounts of these people. Many have been bought off by Putin's bungs.
These calls for Ukraine to make peace are simply outrageous, really disgraceful. It would mean accepting the Russians have a right to colonise them and murder those who resist. Disgusting organisations and people.
Asking Ukraine for peace is like asking a rape victim to stop resisting.
Indeed. Peace? Yes, totally, it should always be the goal of civilisation. But peace at any cost? Ask Chamberlain how well that went for him.
Ukriane is fighting a war of survival against a facist regime that would gleefully murder or enslave the lot of them. Russia are very welcome to end all of this by pulling all of their troops out of internationally recognised Ukrainian territory and then beg the civilised world to let them back in. There’s no *bargaining* with these bastards with what they are trying to do, and despite the normally civil message of this NGO for peace….”peace” with Moscow now would only encourage even more bloody conflict down the road.
There are times for talk, and there are times to fight, and unfortunately the Russians have made this is a time to fight.
Russian MLRS gets blasted
So Cuba are now in this global conspiracy, right I see
I wouldn't be so sure of that 😝
The manufactured fossil fuel crisis continues. There will still be sheep who believe a lightening strike caused this.
Maybe the Womens International League in Canada can head over to Ukraine and persuade the Russian army to up and go back to their motherland. And pay the reconstruction bill and massive reparations.
Yea thats pretty much it. We see it with posters here on boards and on other social media and many left wing organisations.
They will come out and say Russia are wrong and say they condemn Russia for the invasion but then in another breath start parroting how the US and NATO are the ones who caused all of this. They shout out about how western nations should stop sending weapons to give peace a chance and barely mention that Russia needs to withdraw from Ukraine and stop killing people.
I have little doubt that many of these people would be quite happy to see Ukraine surrender and see Russia turn it into another puppet state like Belarus.
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Canada has ideological reasons in common with Putin? Care to share?
I think that this kind of thing is more due to hatred of the USA and NATO rather than affinity with Putin. Classic useful idiot stuff, though.
They are not naïve, they are actively collaborating with Putin for ideological reasons.
Sigh. More of it. Putin is not going to leave Ukraine and compensate them for the damage he has done, so what are they on about? Bloody naive.
That's a bit of an understatement. That's like saying Galway United are a far worse team than Manchester United.
The North Korean army is in a far worse condition than its Russian counterpart.
The idea of universal human rights is a Western Idea, most of the world finds it abhorrent.
Western Europe and North America, Australia and a small few others over the last 50 years have been the fairest, most tolerant Societies that have ever existed and probably for a very long time to come
Please don't confuse robust criticism of Amnesty with hatred of Amnesty. Of course Amnesty is nowhere remotely on the list of evil actors, but those who give the evildoers cover should be called out very loudly
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