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GAA need to step up

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    I agree. But it would be better for the sport to take the leading role in this rather than be forced to change through law. Some things are sectarian and make no secret of it and wont change by their own initiative. But the GAA could change here for thier own advantage. I cant see anyone leaving or stop playing GAA if clubs and competitions are not named after IRA members but it certainly would reduce the stigma that is factually there today when someone from east belfast wants to play GAA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    Unfortunately the GAA is not just a sporting organisation. You say there is no connection between the Ira and the GAA. Have a look at the aims of both. You could hardly get a cigarette paper between them.

    but I do appreciate your sentiments and agree with much of what you say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,319 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    GAA clubs are autonomous which is why they individually decide who they call their clubs after. I am not aware of them naming a club after somebody who wasn't a member.

    Therin lies the intractable problem. People on both sides have different versions of the history.

    It cannot be resolved by one side capitulating.

    Some way has to be found to accommodate what happened on the this island. And it won't be found by making one side deny their version. It is ludicrious to believe that will ever happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,114 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    What are the aims of both?

    The GAA aims according to them is

    Our purpose is to promote Gaelic games, culture and lifelong participation as a community-based, volunteer-led organisation which enriches lives and communities.

    I doubt that is the same as the IRA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,319 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You might as well go all in downcow. The Irish state has similar aims to the RA and the GAA



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    Played as a kid and is certainly not what you experience. There was no politics thought to me there. I read the aims of the GAA just this week. I never thought they had any btw as you can easily play the sport without realising it. It said its aims are promoting the Irish identity through sport in the 32 counties. That is not the same as saying we believe in a 32 county UI. It means it is going to promote the sport in all the counties of Ireland which it does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    Yeah but every club receives money through the GAA. The GAA could put pressure on individual clubs not to do this.


    I agree people have different political opinions of the IRA. But to make the sport to open as many there is no need for clubs to take a stance on the IRA by naming a club after a member.... they're sporting clubs at the end of the day.


    Your last paragraph is what I mean. The GAA have politically sided with one side of a political spectrum. It is for a political party to this not a sporting club, that want to apeal to as many people to play the sport. It is not denying peoples right to have a political view but just leave it away from sporting clubs that should appeal to all people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,319 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    But you can see that won't work.

    The PSNI and East Belfast play GAA, but the likes of downcow equates the GAA with the IRA.

    That isn't going to end because the GAA order clubs (which will not work either) not to name them after members who were in the IRA.

    The GAA has nothing to do with the IRA as an organisation. Individual clubs have memberships who supported the IRA.

    That's what needs to be addressed. People supported the IRA, people supported the UVF, people supported the British Army.

    As long as commemoration isn't sectarian or deliberately done to taunt, I have no issues tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,642 ✭✭✭votecounts


    the same unionists ranting and raving about the GAA, an Inclusive Oragnisation were very silent on the bonfires, KAT, burning political posters, etc. Maybe get your own sectarian house in order first, after all it wasn't a GAA Hall that grown "People" were singing a song about a murdered woman on her honeymoon" Played GAA for many years and politics never came up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    I did not say the Ira and GAA are one and the same. That is ludicrous. The point I am making is that they both are working towards a United ireland and brits out (although they just refer to us as foreigners).

    you can see peppered all through the posts by those who claim the GAA is open to all, constant references to ‘both sides’ have their memorials etc. of course they do but you can’t claim they are bipartisan and then say the GAA have memorials because the other side do.

    I do believe every single poster on here knows the GAA has sectarian aims, players, supporters, rules, etc running right through it. I also understand there are masses of good people, doing good things, in and organisation that is very important to the nationalist community. But let’s not pretend it’s open.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    oh dear. The default position. Whataboutery.

    it wasn’t top sports teams from my community that were engaged in sectarian chanting at a group of girls.

    you also need to stop equating memorials along streets and activities in orange halls with the activities of what you claim is an open sporting organisation

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    follow the logic of some on here, and the east Belfast club should change its name to the Michael Stone GAA club. And of course that wouldn’t upset anyone and wouldn’t be a chill factor to catholics joining. They could even hold an annual Lennie Murphy tournament and give out Uvf medals



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    This randomly came though on my Twitter this morning. You couldn’t make it up.

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    This is the club that the GAA is clinging to as a unique example of openness.

    maybe linfield should hold an outreach event to young catholics in the orange hall



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    1. Give me an example of how the GAA are working towards a UI today?


    2. Give me an example how the GAA are working towards brits out?


    3. Give me examples today where players have been refused to join a GAA side for who they're.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,319 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,319 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Well they could if they wanted and if Michael Stone had been a member. But the problem is Michael Stone attacked catholics for being catholics and for the lols, he was sectarian.

    Michael Stone should be forgotten.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    I have never heard anyone claim point 3 and certainly not me

    The Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA) is a national organisation which has the primary aim of strengthening the national identity in a 32 county Ireland through the preservation and promotion of Gaelic Games and pastimes.

    can’t just turn up the stuff now about foreign games etc but I think we all know it is there

    if a body in ni referred to hurling as a foreign game and also that their primary aim was to strengthen the UK national identity I think you could rightly claim that they supported the continued unification of the UK and that they would be keen to see less Irish about the place



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,319 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    What are you on about?

    They want to preserve Gaelic ganes and culture. They are not stopping soccer or rugby etc being played.

    They had to do that at one time because efforts were being made to wipe out the language and culture Games seen as 'foreign' to that culture were banned at one time . Did you not know that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    Very inviting for the local families who had people murdered at their hands.

    open and inviting???

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,319 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    So we are back to this:

    Are you saying that people (all the people) shoudl not be allowed to commemorate? Or just the ones you don't like?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,319 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Don't get the problem here.

    Are you saying the parish 3G pitch is sectarian place now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭Bricriu


    Let's get one thing straight: Is the GAA being asked to step up to the MARK or step up to the PLATE?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,319 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The GAA are being asked to forget what happened here and to accept the blame for it.

    They are being asked to forget what the British did with the aid of people in downcow's community.

    downcow's community (some of them) cannot bring themselves to see that they bear as much responsibility as anyone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    What you highlighted is exactly what the GAA does...... Promote GAA in the 32 county. You have incorrectly inferred this means they're prompting a political push for a UI. Could you show me any statement from the GAA where they have said they want a 32 UI Ireland?


    Btw there is no reason why you cant be proudly Irish and want to remain in the union. I am proudly irish and want to remain in the union..... the European Union that is. Is the GAA at odds with the EU? is anything that promotes an English identity at odds with the union too?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,850 ✭✭✭Choochtown




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,850 ✭✭✭Choochtown


    In fairness I think the sort of people who take issue with a club named after someone who died in the 1700s will always find something to complain about.

    Imagine looking at that picture and then posting a complaint about the name of the club!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,850 ✭✭✭Choochtown



    GAA working towards "brits out" What absolute nonsense!

    Here's a list of all the GAA clubs in Britain GAA which was founded in 1927. There are 82 clubs.

    No doubt someone will go through the names with a toothcomb and use Google until offence is found.

    Fun Fact: Most Googled phrase by Loyalists for July was "Who was Sean South?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,850 ✭✭✭Choochtown



    I searched for a while to try and understand what you were getting at.

    Was it the crest with the English, Irish and Ulster Scots words for "together"? or the Harland & Wolff cranes, the Red Hand of Ulster, a shamrock and a thistle?

    I finally realised that it was the venue. It's a school opposite Stormont just off the Dundonald Road. You actually have a problem with a GAA open day being held at a GAA pitch at a school?????

    How ironic when the veiled threats of terrorism against both adults and children who play GAA have forced Belfast City Council to halt work at Victoria Park this week (no I won't complain about the non-inclusive name)



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  • Posts: 667 ✭✭✭ Carmen Substantial Revolution


    Im really not seeing what the problem is here ... what am I missing ?



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