It's all falling apart alarmingly fast for Boris Johnson across the water. How long you reckon he has left as British Prime Minister? Hours surely?
How many parties are they talking about now? I've lost count.
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Yeah, but people are stupid and vote against their own best interests. Again and again and again - the worst things that happen to GQP supporters in the US comes from the GQP. Likewise, other than the infinitely small percentage at the top of the Tory hierarchy, the rest suffer.
It is amazing people will just repeat this pattern. But, it is what it is.
Reminds me of the Groucho Marx quote.
"These are my principles if you don't like them, I have others"
Truss is talking about highly disruptive strikes, that is strikes (and protests) that cause the general public to suffer on a grand scale due to the action. You are over-blowing what she is proposing.
I have zero confidence in the current Tory party to do anything that doesn't serve themselves and only themselves. Anything that they legislate for you have to assume will be used for cases that the text wasn't "meant" for. Its their MO. I have never had less confidence in those in charge of a Western European democracy in my lifetime.
What part did you disagree with? Favoured candidate of the ERG, backed for leadership by all of the right wing press, supported by Frost and Braverman.....is there one you take issue with? She's clearly the candidate of choice of the ERG and 'Johnsonites', plus their media backers.
How stupid does one have to be, though, to say "Yeh, the country's in a shit state, I'm going to vote for the party that made it a shit state, cos they said it was in a shit state!"...which is exactly what's going to happen when the next GE does come around.
More Tory attempts to chip away at human rights...
God did he really say "lefty lawyers"
One of the 2 will be endorsing Qanon before we know it.
Along with applause from the audience....
The only hope for the UK is if Truss is as spectacularly bad as PM as everything she's ever done before suggests , it should mean the end of Tory Government fairly soon for at least the next 4 or 5 years.
Not that Labour are necessarily awesome , but at least they don't seem like they will be willfully and deliberately awful as the Tories have been and continue to be.
And he's getting battered in a 2 horse race as he's not extreme enough!
Does the U.K. have a version of the short bus?
They don't even know why they are clapping. Just heard European and that's enough.
I get the feeling that a good bit of the opposition would be delighted if Truss gets this. She's just the right kind of annoying crass idiot to have around to remind everyone what the modern Tories are all about. She won't really need to call a GE for a couple of years, but you'd wonder what might trigger her to call one early. BoJo might have done it to save his position, but since he's out Truss must be betting on a "honeymoon" period where people will give her some benefit of the doubt. But if she turns out to be as disastrous as BoJo was, then the party might turn on her soon as well.
The UK's woes are likely to increase further in time thanks to Brexit, and I had wondered if a replacement for Boris would have used the chance to peg all of the stupid decisions on him. Then they'd be free to undo some of the damage by getting the UK back into at least the Customs Union. But since Truss and Sunak are trying to "out-Brexit" each other with their rhetoric, I'm guessing there's little chance of that.
They seem utterly convinced the ECHR was set up to protect the rights of refugees only - it's there to protect every single person in Europe and covers a multitude of rights - right to privacy, right to assemble and protest, discrimination, freedom of speech, unlawful detention, right to practise religion, right to join a trade union and so on.
Yes, but by making it all about "The Immigrants" they can get the support of their base to remove the UK from it.
Once that's done , then you'll see the Tories try to roll back all the things you mention above.
It's a classic bait and switch..
By constantly referring to "leftie lawyers", the suggestion appears to be that human rights are a left wing / liberal / woke issue and not something that any upstanding right winger should be concerned with. They really are going down an awful rabbit hole.
What do you think is a conspitracy theory? Various front bench Tories have made calls for the UK to step away from the ECHR. This includes Human Rights lawyer, Dominic Rabb.
The AG Suella Braverman is another one. This talk of 'leftie lawyers' and attacks on the ECHR is hugely problematic....the narrative is being created that human rights are just a concocted issue by bleeding heart liberals with a political agenda and there's no particular need for them. The government will 'take care of' citizens as it sees fit and doesn't need any outside interference.
Liz Truss herself specifically talked about introducing legislation if she becomes PM to prevent certain groups of workers being able to take strike action.
And they've already worked on legislation to prevent people from Public Protest.
All things that are protected by the ECHR.
could you define step away?
if you mean pull out of the council of Europe, then no. that is not happening and is just simple scare mongering.
If you mean better define the UK's human right's act so that it is more flexible with regards the European Court for Human Rights in line with the leeway provided for in the convention, then yes.
but that isn't what is being portrayed, Quinn Dub et al are trying to convince us that the UK is about to become some Orwellian state, which it isn't and is just pure conspiracy theory rubbish.
What the Tories want and have explicitly talked about is the ability to ignore the ECHR as and when they see fit.
The long-promised British Bill of Rights, which is being published after ECHR intervention temporarily halted a controversial U.K. deportation flight to Rwanda, would replace the Human Rights Act passed by the last Labour government.
The U.K. Ministry of Justice (MoJ), which will detail the draft law Wednesday, says its plan will set British courts free from the obligation to follow case law from the Strasbourg court in every circumstance. It will make it clear that the U.K.’s own Supreme Court is the ultimate arbiter on human rights issues.
Under the government proposals, interim measures issued by the ECHR under so-called Rule 39, which applies to situations where “there is an imminent risk of irreparable damage,” would not be binding on British courts.
They've said it out loud - They want to be able to pick and choose which ECHR rulings that they have to observe.
So when they break International law like they are trying to do with the Rwanda deportations , they want to be allowed to get away with it.
When they introduce legislation banning public protest (like they already have) they don't want to be challenged.
Where's the conspiracy theory here?
Rishi Sunak is coming out saying that those vilifying the UK will be counted as extremists and will be deradicalised. How is that not Orwellian?
So there have been no calls to diverge from the ECHR?
But the message going out is that challenges to rulings using human rights legislation are a nuisance and are unwelcome. Even 'talk' of withdrawing from the ECHR is very risky - it's putting the firm idea into the right wing half of the population's heads that human rights legislation is a nuisance and not really necessary. If you wanted to set up some form of semi dictatorship, this is exactly the way you would go about it.
Wasting tax payers money
£120 million for Rwanda to take in 200 immigrants, the UK has to take back 200 of Rwandas most vulnerable immigrants.
Please explain how this is a good use of tax payers money.
It's an unworkable policy, it's as if they are doing it "for their own political and egotistical benefit".
No she hasn't.
There is no legislation in pace or planned that prevents people from public protest
Is this the same good law project that have won numerous cases against the government highlighting the enormous squandering of taxpayers money on politicians chums during the covid pandemic. Or is it another good law project you mean.
Good Law Project, together with a cross-party group of MPs, brought legal action against the Government for its persistent and unlawful failure to disclose details of COVID-related contracts.
In June 2021, the High Court ruled the Government acted unlawfully when it awarded a £560,000 contract to a market research agency called Public First, which is run by former colleagues of Michael Gove and Dominic Cummings.
It really is shocking that this corruption is being brought before the courts - obviously something has to be done so that politicians and their chums can milk the taxpayer without the embarrassment of being exposed by the law.
You would think the Tories would be big fans if that's the case.
The bill seeks to give the UK courts primacy over Strasbourg, that is all. It also means UK courts do not have to take ECHR precedent into consideration when making a decision which, incidentally, neither does does the European Court itself.
It is early stages in a very complex bill, but no one is removing Human Rights, as some would have you believe.
Yes.. They have
The Government provided greater powers to restrict protest in the Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act 2022 by allowing restrictions on protests deemed to be noisy.
The report warns that further restrictions proposed in the Public Order Bill would have a chilling effect on the right to peaceful protest in the UK.
The bill seeks to give the UK courts primacy over Strasbourg
Exactly - They want to be able to ignore the ECHR like for example when they are illegally trying to send people to Rwanda against International law.
How is this so hard to grasp?
who is talking about leaving the ECHR?
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