So the balls-up has started since last night which makes Fairview from clontarf to Edges corner a single lane with bollards down the centre.
This will be a permanent feature and works will take 21 months.
Not sure it's feasible to present transport that's 25 minutes walking away as any kind of alternative. Indeed transport planning typically incorporates a 10 minute walking journey (or a simplified 1km) from stations to help calculate potential ridership etc.
If there is going to be private vehicles driving through anyway, and a lack of enforcement, we're all going to suffer with worse bus journey times too. We will see.
it used to be an alternative to me and my parents and loads of other people I know. When I lived in Brixton I had to walk about 25 mins too to the tube, and that's London with its world class transport system. You're never going to have everything on your doorstep. People are such snowflakes.
There's a very busy funeral home (Kirwans) located exactly at the point of traffic being diverted down Fairview Strand. I can imagine their business and routine being severely interrupted by this. Along there is hell at the best of times as it stands. Maybe it's been mentioned on the thread but one of the arches at Clontarf Road Bridge is closing also, leaving just one lane going in each direction.
Whatever about working arrangements, I think the city centre itself will take a battering in terms of retail, restaurants etc as a consequence of this going on until 2024. Not everyone has the physical ability to cycle or walk lengthy distances to a bus, or wants to. So for whatever they need to do they'll simply move off elsewhere.
does the 2016 census record at a granular level, how many people are commuting into the city centre, and how?
People don't drive into town on this route at rush hour to go to restaurants or go shopping. Jesus Christ. Those of us from the suburbs that use this route will be well aware of this. I don't know anyone who ever drove to town to go to restaurants or shopping and spent most of my life in Artane and Coolock.
How do you people ever expect any change or things to get better with out any manner of disruption? It's a city, things change. It's like listening to infants wailing over toys or something. Pathetic.
There's no need to be so facetitious. Loads of cars are brought to town from the city centre - or certainly were down the years - for collection of larger items. Go into any of the car parks Ilac, Jervis etc. This trade inevitably will fall off now.
You're welcome to your opinion, but that is not how transport planning works. It's nothing to do with people being "snowflakes", there is well established methodology and data behind the 10 minute assumption. E.g. https://humantransit.org/2011/04/basics-walking-distance-to-transit.html
I lived in nearby Stockwell for years. There is nowhere in Brixton itself that's a 25 minute walk from Brixton Tube Station and Overground.
For larger items. Yes this old chestnut. The roads are choc a block with people going to Jervis st to buy fridges and washing machines. At rush hour. Gimme a break. People go to retail centres on the outskirts for that stuff and you know it.
Anyway f**k people buying washing machines in town. We can't not do things like this because of stupid things like that. I am so sick of these ridiculous arguments coming up time and time again.
Not true historically. I used to go to Sounds Around on Capel Street and Some Neck Guitars near Aungier Street. Now I don't go to either, too much hassle to find parking if I'm carrying stuff. I'll head out to DJBox in Tallaght or Jimi's Guitars in Walkinstown. Those who think Dublin is still going to have some magical fairydust luring everyone in via bus and bicycle regardless of traffic disruption and lack of parking are living in cloud cuckoo land.
Try walking from Elm Park road to Brixton tube station and see how long it takes.
Hey I bought my piano in music maker and guess what, they delivered it.
This is getting stupid, but my point was that if it takes 30 mins to cycle because of red lights, at best it would take 20 to drive. You would want to be hitting every last red light to be getting up to 30 min.
It is quicker to cycle that route, in traffic, than it is to drive it. Even if you caught every green light, it'll take you more than 20 mins to drive it. I've done it.
This is what I took issue with and continue to do so. It is absolutely not 20-25 mins on a really good day for an average person.
Again, I've done it weekly for close to 20 years. I know how long it takes. There are days where I m not overtaken by anyone on a bike for the entire journey and it still takes 25+.
You could drive to Clontarf Road station, park there and make your journey to the city centre by Dart. This is where the traffic into town will start to build up, so get out of the car and don't be stuck in traffic (created by you and other car drivers).
Elm Park Road has five bus routes stopping at it with a bus coming every two minutes.
not where I lived up by Leander road. Anyway so what? It still takes 20+ minutes to walk to the tube. Going to get a bus down would probably take longer.
For those people that don't have the physical ability to walk to a bus, what do they do when they drive into town and get out of their car? Surely they don't walk around town??
we don’t even need those kind of stores in town. Who even still picks up that stuff in their car any more? Its such a nonsense argument. All that stuff can be delivered, which is better for the environment anyway. Town will be reinvented into mixed use leisure, light retail and residential. With little enough need to drive in
Swords was invented so Northsiders could drive to places that sell this kind of crap
This is cloud cuckoo stuff. Have you seen the lack of parking at Clontarf Road station as it stands? No one is going to lug large heavy items up onto the stairs at Clontarf Road, get a DART to Pearse or Tara, carry them across town or vice versa. Town will ultimately become a leisurely open air pub for those who like to cycle. That's fine, that's clearly what it's going to be. Lots of present commuters who need to do other business will just go elsewhere. There's no "row" here - this is what's evolving from the changes being made.
I'm struggling to think what heavy items would cause a lot of people to drive into town, especially ones that can't be delivered. Any examples?
What ‘large heavy items’ might people be carrying from town? And don’t say washing machine
OK drive to Bayside, Kilbarrack, Raheny, Harmonstown instead
Paints. Light machinery. Electrical equipment. Construction supplies. Carpentry supplies. Computer equipment. Guitars. Speakers. Amps. Musical instruments. Etcetera. Stop being silly.
Only became aware of this today.
Send all traffic down the Ballybough road is very ill conceived! It won't go well. They need to alleviate peak charges on the port tunnel and push some of the traffic out that way.
Fairview Strand is a nightmare at the best of times.
And you think a lot of people drive into town from the Northside suburbs to buy these things? Don't they deliver? Why would you drive to town to buy paint? There's a Woodies on the Malahide Road. There's a Power City for electrical equipment.
Fairview Strand is a nightmare at the best of times because of the amount of single occupancy vehicles driving inbound in the morning and outbound in the evenings. If more of these people used public transport instead of whinging about the traffic that they themselves are contributing to, then magical enough the traffic would reduce.
Stop being silly. My point was very clear. I used to go to town for many of these purchases. I wouldn't now. Anyone who thinks retail and leisure in the city centre won't be affected by the proposed changes needs to get real. Anyway, we shall see, particularly in the run up to Christmas.
From the city centre? Now who’s being silly
you've good taste if you went to some neck guitars.
anyway, a friend is a cellist, a gigging cellist, and lives in dublin and has never owned a car. the case is probably larger than she is; she's managed.
but it's an interesting thought - how many times have you eschewed some neck guitars in favour of jimis, because you're buying something too big to fit in your car?
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