"Green" policies are destroying this country

I believe you were blaming the ESB not "legislation".

You said

"much of the wind has been installed in suboptimal locations where it was convenient for the ESB to offer connections - not in the best wind locations"

You make your claim with no backup up

From Eirgrid

"Developer Led"

"This is the current policy for Ireland’s electricity grid. Ireland has a successful track record in adding renewable electricity – 40% of our electricity already comes from wind generation. This was due to many factors, one of which was the incentivising of renewable generation. This was the goal of government and regulatory policies over the past decade or more.

As a result, EirGrid must connect new sources of renewable electricity, regardless of the local strength of the grid

If this approach continues, we forecast that developers can build enough generation to meet the demands of the 2030 target. However, our studies show that it will not be possible to expand the grid in time for Ireland to use all of this power."

I dunno many who reached adulthood before the 1990s in Ireland were would have experienced power outages, fuel rationing, freezing cold houses with little or no insulation, single pane windows, that had a decent fireplace or rayburn with a back boiler if you were lucky. It certainly wouldn't be anything new to that cohort anyway.

However allowing the greens to deliberately engineer a situation where power outages are increasingly likley because they have their collective heads stuck in the sand about the need for a secure source of natural gas is not a good idea regardless whether we have snowflakes or not.

Well frankly no its not. Especially when it’s the green party in power atm who are currently attempting to put the kibosh on LNG supplies, LNG infastructure and our own untapped natural gas reserves and much of that in direct opposition to our own Energy Regulator.

But therein lies the problem, it`s not over. There is not going to be a switch to 100% renewables in the morning no matter how much greens dream about it. We need gas, and we are going to need it for a long time into the future. Germany, whose master-plan Irish Green Party policy was based on got a sharp reminder of that with Putin`s gas and have now gone back to burning coal, exploring for fossil fuels and building and leasing LNG terminals. Here the Irish greens are carrying on as if none of that is happening.

Potentially we are no more secure on gas than Germany was, yet we have The Irish Green party legislation banning exploration, attempting to legislate to ban LNG, a recognised transitional fuel source, and doing everything the can to prevent development of the Ballyroe field. The may not be to blame for lack of investment in our power system, but for all the above alone they are to blame.

Do we need to go over the greens threatening to collapse the government if they don't get their way? Which they have been doing so as recently as just the other week.

We're dealing with the here and now. This green party and the need for the country to have secure sources of natural gas to keep the lights on. The only ignorance is their own, being even more examples of green policies destroying the country.

Th EU have stated that both gas and nuclear are necessary for the period of transition to renewable energy transition. They have also called on all EU countries to have reserves of gas for this winter to ensure security of supply. And our greens have the eyes shut, their fingers in their ears whilst singing la la la.

So unless the green party do deliberately wish to shut the country down - then it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever for them to stick thier heads in the sand to demand they get their own way regardless of the counties currents needs.

And that proves what exactly? I already detailed above that China is rolling out renewables to increase their industrial capacity. Because they're are not shutting down their coal fired power stations, they're building lots more of them and have stated they are going to continue to do so for the foreseeable future. Oh and you know all those lovely solar panels and other renewable technology they're exporting? Yeah manufactured using coal powered processes. Ye have to hand to them. Their a great bunch of lads altogether!

...it shows the rapid expansion of renewables compared to us! we truly are the laggards here!

...and where does a significant proportion of Chinese goods end up!

...and why was the majority of western manufacturing outsourced to china, and who done that!

yes, china is still using an enormous amount of fossil fuels, but has expanded renewables faster than all countries now, while we re still playing with ourselves.....

...or how about we rapidly expand off shore wind, and get on with it.....

...if we banned Chinese goods, our own economies would probably also collapse! the main cause of inflation is due to significant supply chain disruption, banning Chinese goods would more than likely cause even greater economic problems for us....

...so, go again!

Nope you still haven't answered my question and still fail to understand the issue

So

how about we fire up Moneypoint to run 24/7 so we can manufacture our own renewables, whilst continuing to burn turf and anything else we can get our hands on and don't give a shite about our emissions?

Because guess what that's exactly what China is doing!

The Chinese have not closed their coal fired power stations. They are building more of them. Their emissions are not reducing rather they are increasing and will continue to do so because along with lots more coal energy generation - their additional renewables do nothing to reduce their emissions. The sole purpose is to ramp up industrial production to even greater levels. Which bit don't you understand in that setup?

So I see you're critical of people buying Chinese tat but believe we shouldn't stop buying Chinese tat even where that means that we will likley exceed IPCC targets because China is the single biggest emitter of ghgs globally!

Seriously I give up.

China ?

China has been building coal burning plants to beat the band and the energy they are getting from renewables is not even keeping pace with demand. A demand that is being driven by the demand for green tech products.

Germany`s policy on gas was madness, but where is ours now any different ?

Where is the sense in the Irish Green Party pursuing a policy on gas where a problem with an insecure source that is providing half of our electric needs would shut the country down in the morning. This policy that somehow we will jump to 100% renewables because we will have no alternative is madness on any level you care to name.

You can roll out renewables as quickly as you like, but it`s not going to change the fact that we will need either gas or nuclear for many years to come. Even at that nobody seems to have even a vague idea of how many wind turbines/solar panels will be required or at what the cost will be necessary to reach even 80% never mind 100% of our needs.