Now skeeter
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/wek0r2/after_attempting_to_abduct_a_child_a_crazy_person/
A video showing one of our African doctors/engineers trying to abduct a child near the spire and exposing his tiny dick and going into full berserker mode.
What is becoming of our country?
Those numbers are insanely low and they are coming after 2 years of lockdowns. The facts and data show that even if immigration will be completely halted for a number of years the housing crisis will continue for a larger number of years. And they clearly said there is no chance for that to happen, so I guess the next 1-2 generations will be fked for the sake of diversity and virtue signalling.
You lost me straight away. I asked you what the plan was and you filled a post with waffle, still not answering the question. True public services were slashed for decades, that's why we can't afford to just keep taking in people to our country when our, my public services are not fit to cater for its own citizens. Hopefully the penny drops. And International obligations, don't make me laugh. What about obligations to our own citizens on housing lists, hospital lists etc. But hey keep on taking them in,the government has plan ,and hopefully someone can tell us what that plan is..
I agree I have done alright for myself, worked hard and don’t need to play the victim.
Perhaps playing the victim is more lucrative to you.
Both your email and reply were excellent…
in response to your well articulated concerns you got a wall of text, of absolutely nothing… just BS and excuses, none of your points engaged with or addressed….such is the contempt for citizens though.… Ireland is now a non democracy… its seriously worrying the direction this country is heading…
I prefer your response to his.
Is it not time to start hassling ( with questions) these uncaring bulshitting politicians in the streets or should paddy continue to cry into his pint at the weekend instead ?
Unfortunately it's all we ever really do.
So the housing situation in Ireland is rosy? Record breaking homeless figures actually mean the opposite of bad news? House prices rising massively is a good thing??
Explain to all us idiots how the housing situation is excellent and Minister O’Brien is doing a Sterling job.
Before I go any further so, I’ll answer your question - the plan here is to figure out why you’re so determined to break people’s balls who come here looking to make a better life for themselves and their families and want to contribute to Irish society and make Ireland their home. Public services like health and education were slashed to shyte decades ago, homelessness has always existed, organised crime and paramilitary groups were always romanticised and leading criminal figures idolised by idiots. Immigration didn’t change any of that, or add to it, or anything else. The plan here is to figure out why there wasn’t a peep out of you before now, when the same issues still existed, and they weren’t exacerbated by immigrants either, as immigrants even when they’re all taken together, still only make up a minority in Irish society.
With that out of the way -
We were talking about London’s East End, which is only one part of London, and you made claims off the back of the documentary about people becoming a minority in their own country, because people were being pushed out of London’s East End by immigrants moving into the area and it would become a ghetto. My only point was that people were leaving of their own accord, and those that stayed wanted to stay because it was their home, they’re not going anywhere. London’s East End was always a ghetto, characterised by poverty, crime and destitution, it always had immigrants, and yer man claiming immigrants moving into the area was ethnic genocide, was talking out his arse. You strike me as a rational sort, so I don’t believe for a minute you even believed yourself what you were claiming. You’re well aware other people will believe it though.
It’s not because of a few Irish Missionaries that we’re obligated to be swamped at all with migrants from all over the place. You asked the question what have we ever done as if you weren’t fully aware that the Irish have travelled to every corner of the world spreading their ideas and bringing with them their culture and values, which they were far more effective in doing than the armies of the Empires ever were. We welcomed people here from every corner of the world, we still do, because it’s what we do. That’s what it means to be Irish, as opposed to the idea that we’re a nation who disappeared up our own hole, and then wonder why there’s nobody wants anything to do with us.
What you appear to have neglected is other people. Otherwise you wouldn’t have to be making all sorts of predictions of doom and gloom to stir up resentment and bitterness towards immigrants. Of course you’ll claim you don’t blame immigrants for what the Government which was formed by the Irish electorate, is doing, in fulfilling our international obligations. But it’s quite obvious when you’re talking about waiting lists in hospitals or having to wait hours to be seen or the pressure on our public services, and immigrants as though they shouldn’t be here, that you’re using issues which have always existed in Ireland to argue against immigrants coming to Ireland and availing of public services to which they are as entitled as you, I or anyone else are. What you neglected was the people who were affected by those issues you appear to be only pointing out now, because they’re the people would support you if you had supported them. They’re not interested in fighting your war or doing your dirty work, no more than the young people in that documentary were interested in maintaining a lifestyle of grinding poverty just because their parents thought there was any value in being dirt poor and suffering in hardship made them respectable members of the community. They don’t want to believe that nobody gives a shìt, because it means having to face the reality that their self-victimisation was all for nothing. That’s why they’re doing no different than you’re doing now - playing the victim, when in reality you’re actually doing alright for yourself, and your complaining about immigrants and the Government and anyone who doesn’t share your ideas are a tough act to maintain when people just don’t appear to be all that interested.
I don’t need a wall of text and statistics to tell me the opposite of what my eyes and ears can see
Translation: I choose to ignore facts and data as they won't suit my argument
You will never get a reply to satisfy a question from him or any other minister. They just throw out statistics and waffle to hopefully bore you to tears and hopefully give up.
Would be very surprised if minister o Brian had personally even read your e mail let alone reply it.
They couldn't give a toss.
I received a reply from one of my local TDs Darragh O’Brien. Absolute waffle.
Thank you for emailing me, for laying out your concerns, and for providing me with an opportunity to respond.
As Minister for Housing, Local Government and Heritage it's my responsibility, and one which I take very seriously, to do everything I can to ensure that we increase housing supply to meet the needs of our people. As you rightly say there has been a shortage of housing for more than a decade now and we do have a housing crisis which we are working very hard to address. I have never, and will never say there is nothing we can do about it - there is much we can, and are doing.
Thankfully we are starting to see some very strong indicators and recent CSO figures show planning permissions for homes were up 22.7% in the year ending Q1 2022 (44,491) when compared to the same time period to Q1 2021 (36,252). There were 34,846 units commenced in the year to March 2022 - the highest number of commencements since records started in 2014.
When it comes to completions, in the EU, Ireland has gone from the 3rd lowest level of completions per capita in 2013 to the 5th highest in 2020 and I expect that trend to continue. The number of homes purchased by households has gone from a low of just under 25,699 in 2011 to 55,298 in 2021 and first time buyers have reached their highest levels since 2007 with over 15,065 buying properties in the year to March 2022. This is up from a low of 6,381 in 2011, a massive 136% increase.
I don't underestimate the challenges we have in housing, both for our country and for our constituency, and I will continue to work with my Government colleagues to address them.
Kind Regards,
Darragh.
I have replied with
Dear Minister,
I don’t need a wall of text and statistics to tell me the opposite of what my eyes and ears can see. We are approaching record breaking homelessness in Ireland. A decade of selling out to vulture funds is coming home to roost with rents skyrocketing, little to no stock on the market and homelessness at breaking point.
And yet, with about 15-20% of Ukraine actually at war, we are encouraging them to come in vast numbers to use up what little resources were actually available to Irish citizens. Your colleague in government, Roderick O’Gorman, has exacerbated the issue massively by promising own door accommodation for any Tom, Dick or Mohammed who utters the magic word ‘asylum’, and then had the brass neck to try to blame the U.K. for Ireland being over run with “asylum” seekers.
As I said in my previous email, if this is the best you can do, the patriotic thing to do would be hold your hands up, admit you are out of your depth, and walk away. The people want an election, the polls show that people want a change. Let democracy reign.
John
So London’s always been a dump ,suppose you will say the same about Dublin or Donegal in a few years time.
And So because of the Irish missionaries were obliged to be swamped with migrants from all over the place.
Mind-boggling.
Before you go any further see can you answer the one question that no one seems to be able to.
What is the plan here.
Also explain your last paragraph as I'm lost to what I neglected to make me hold my views.
Not expecting an answer to either to be honest.
They were pushed out by the total disregard for their governments own citizens and the places they lived being turned into ghettos.
When was London’s East End ever NOT a ghetto, exactly? It’s always been a ghetto characterised by the poverty, crime, disease and destitution of it’s population… English high society’s undesirables -
Society at large viewed the East End with a mixture of suspicion and fascination, with the use of the term East End in a pejorative sense beginning in the late 19th century,[231] as the expansion of London's population led to extreme overcrowding throughout the area and a concentration of poor people and immigrants. The problems were exacerbated with the construction of St Katharine Docks (1827) and the central London railway termini (1840–1875) that caused the clearance of former slums and rookeries, with many of the displaced people moving into the East End. Over the course of a century, the East End became synonymous with poverty, overcrowding, disease and criminality.
[The] invention about 1880 of the term "East End" was rapidly taken up by the new halfpenny press, and in the pulpit and the music hall ... A shabby man from Paddington, St Marylebone or Battersea might pass muster as one of the respectable poor. But the same man coming from Bethnal Green, Shadwell or Wapping was an "East Ender", the box of Keating's bug powder must be reached for, and the spoons locked up. In the long run this cruel stigma came to do good. It was a final incentive to the poorest to get out of the "East End" at all costs, and it became a concentrated reminder to the public conscience that nothing to be found in the "East End" should be tolerated in a Christian country.
This idea of the East End as lying beyond the pale of respectability was also emphasised by Jack London when he visited London in 1902, and found that his Hackney carriagedriver claimed not to know it. London observed: "Thomas Cook and Son, path-finders and trail-clearers, living sign-posts to all the World.... knew not the way to the East End".
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_End_of_London
Saying this Britain was only to keen on colonial power so alot of the migrants coming in could of been classed as British subjects, not all but you reap what you sow.
I think it’s unfair to suggest that the whole of Britain was involved, or indeed interested, in expanding the reach and rule of the British Empire, it was more or less limited to the few Monarchs and Government, and their supporters, who sought to conquer and control foreign lands for their own benefit, and didn’t they benefit, with no regard for their own citizens beyond what those citizens could provide in terms of economic benefits to the tiny minority of an elite economic class. Britain of course weren’t the only country to benefit from conflict, and the evolution of trade wars into whole scale industrial revolution - a number of European Monarchies weren’t shy in pushing forward at the expense of anyone who got in their way. “Musical borders” is a good way to put it -
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/oureconomy/patel-rwanda-asylum-borders-colonial/
The Commonwealth isn’t reaping what it sowed, it just took what was grown somewhere else as it’s own, not just resources, but people, and that’s why I object to this whole nonsense of referring to immigrants as “importing” people, as if people are goods and services, terms normally associated with trade. Colonists weren’t interested in fair trade then, they’re not interested in fair trade now. It’s not quite so much reaping what they sowed as enjoying the benefits of other peoples labour, while seeking to exclude the people they exploited from participating as equals in a system in which they are regarded not as people, but as capital.
What gripes me is what countries did we colonise, what do we owe alot of these economic migrants. Were becoming just one big massive refugee camp.
We didn’t colonise any countries (though not for the want of trying at least!), small groups of Irish Missionaries took a far more radical approach - disseminating Irish culture not through oppression, but through a spirit of brotherhood, and their efforts, while wrinkling noses and causing much knickers twisting among the elitist political classes, were far more effective at spreading their message than say, the Crusades. We didn’t gain a reputation as the ‘Land of Saints and Scholars’ for nothing:
https://www.libraryireland.com/irishnationality/irish-mission.php
https://www.discoveringireland.com/land-of-saints-and-scholars/
It’s nothing to do with what we do or don’t owe anyone else, it’s everything to do with what we owe ourselves and what sort of a society we want to live in. I don’t want to live in a society which is characteristically English, influenced by English ideas of their own superiority over people from other cultures and countries. That’s how you end up with people from London’s East End imagining that they’re superior to immigrants, they’re opposed to multiculturalism, they seek to protect themselves and what they imagine they have from any threat of outside influence, failing miserably in the process because they don’t have the means to protect themselves or their children from outside influences, especially not nowadays when information about other cultures comes from a vast array of sources unfiltered by a whole cacophony of restrictions and standards which they can’t see as making any sense and don’t want to go along with it.
Their elders refusal to accept their responsibility for the part they played in forming their children’s identity and to externalise the issues they are faced with is nothing more than an attempt to absolve themselves of their responsibility, because it’s not simply a case of reaping what you sow, it’s how you manage and tend to it, or not.
But soon were going to be reaping what we DIDN'T sow.
I dunno ‘bout you, but I didn’t sow resentment, bitterness and apathy towards my fellow human beings based upon imagining I’m better than they are. Perhaps it hasn’t occurred to you that you’re reaping what you sowed already, only you neglected to maintain it and now you’re complaining because your vegetable patch is overcome with weeds.
Yes people are really missing out by not engaging in discourse with people they feel are closet racists with 10s of thousands of anti immigrant posts under their belts. Also I'm glad you were able to clarify the earlier posters use of the word "They". I was thinking he was talking about some weird conspiracy about Jewish people trying to replace the white race as he seems to hint at conspiracies in quite a few posts. Appreciate the clarification on that one bud. Now lets get back to the topic at hand and keep the thread on course.
Well.. you certainly don't.
As for the remainder of the posters, it depends on whether they agree, disagree, or have no opinion on what was said. The thread has seen plenty of arguments from posters with differing perspectives.
Alas, there are very few posters that support the immigration or multiculturalism angle who are willing to engage with points made, and argue against them. Instead, as with most of your posts, they submit soundbites, dismiss others points, deflect, or make snide remarks.
You think people argue against points made here? lmao
They were pushed out by the total disregard for their governments own citizens and the places they lived being turned into ghettos. Saying this Britain was only to keen on colonial power so alot of the migrants coming in could of been classed as British subjects, not all but you reap what you sow.
The context was obvious for the use of "they" if you had been following the discussion. No secret organisation or conspiracy was presented. They, being foreign cultural populations.
You know, you could attempt to argue against points made.
If you had lived in London for a while say 70s and 80s and went back to the place you lived you wouldn't need to be asking this question.
Looking at our towns and cities, Don't worry you soon won't need to ask this question any longer.
"They" - lmao
The illusive "They" who did "this" to London and are doing "this" to Ireland.
We have had 2 already media kinda hush hush. Japanese guy killed. The one that got the most traction was the horrible murders and mutilation of people from the LGBT community. Well until it was found out who done it. I dunno what bracket you would put that lisa smith into.
I actually wonder what might happen if there was an Islamic terror attack here, shooting, bombing, stabbing, whatever….
Also….Money laundering and terrorist financing has been acknowledged to be prevalent here that is supporting this terrorism..which might be why nothing has transpired here…
They left of their own accord... did they really? All of them? Cause I've seen the videos online showing the changes to French suburbs, and how Muslim males intimidate/bully French women in the streets for not dressing as Islamic women did. There's going to be similarities in behaviour when one or another foreign culture manages to take over a neighbourhood with significant numbers, whereby they can enforce their cultural/religious beliefs on to others.
People are intimidated into leaving. They see the standards in living, the increase in violent crime, or the introduction of other forms of crime which might have been absent or low-key previously. The local environment changes.. so while people might leave of their own accord.. in reality they were pushed out by change. Negative change in many cases (not always, but there is a trend in many Western towns/cities)
It's a warning to all. If they can do that in London Town, they can do it anywhere.
The East End became deindustrialised - where there were once thriving industries which provided opportunities and employment for previous generations, they didn’t exist any longer. Some people chose to stay because it was their home, some people chose to leave for better opportunities in places like Essex.
It certainly wasn’t because any of them discovered they were racist anyway, all the documentary’s participants went to great lengths to point that out, even the one participant who claimed it was ethnic genocide, because Muslims don’t drink. They also don’t socialise in the working men’s clubs that were at risk of closure because the owner couldn’t make £12,000 on the weekends any more.
Most bizarre part of the documentary for me was when said owner went upstairs to the old dears doing tea dancing and told them “keep the language down” 😳 No wonder one old dear wanted to move out of the area to be closer to her children when her husband died after 70 years of marriage - turns out the owner was nothing more than a working class authoritarian - he obviously preferred a time when he didn’t have to pander to minorities, and now he appeared to be desperately clutching to the last vestiges of authority he has in what he imagines was his “close community”. It clearly wasn’t as close as he thought when people left as soon as they saw better opportunities for themselves and their families elsewhere, much like the rural to urban migration that happens in every country and society in the world, regardless of whether you’re talking about Europe, America, Australia, India, China, or the Stans -
https://knightscholar.geneseo.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1236&context=proceedings-of-great-day
Gentrification will fix that right up -
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentrification
Why did they have to leave the place they lived looking for a better place. What changed the place they lived. Yes they left of their own accord but why. What happened that they had to do this.
What’s sad about it? People weren’t pushed out, they left of their own accord for what they imagined would be a better place to live than where they were.
I also wonder how you’re classifying groups as minorities in their own countries, because of course it stands to reason cockneys are a minority in their own country of 56 million people.
That documentary isn’t making any different points to this discussion on ITV from 30 years earlier -
Yeah but we're supposed to not notice this things, or if we do don't talk about them and pretend they don't exist.
Why do you think they always fight to make sure their communities are exempt from receiving refugees? Remember the uproar when someone posted a poster up in Varadkar's community that a Direct Provision/Refugee Centre was coming there? Nimbyism at it's finest.
It's called white flight for a reason. The upper and middle class whites will be the first to leave when the diversity becomes obvious in spite of what they say publicly - no one actually likes to live is such a place.
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