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I wonder if the inclusion of McHale will cause a stirr.
Remember back in 2015 it was the players who did not want McHale involved.
But that's 7 years ago, a lot of them are retired, the new guys may well not have the same opinions.
I think at the time there was a fear that McHale would be a step down from the likes of Buckley who was with Horan for the first term.
McHale being a "laps of the pitch" guy in the Maughan mold from the 1990s and 2000s.
I like McStay as a pundit, both on RTE and the podcast.
But how good a manager would he be?
Can we learn anything from his Roscommon tenure, seeing as it was Roscommon after all?
It would be a big boost to the older players like Keegan in my opinion . I hope he makes
Him captain
Mcstay is surely highly regarded and respected. He is the front man
Rochford will be the brains behind the scene . He surely has to have their respect
Buckley. No need to say anything . Highly respected .
Mulligan - win intermediate with Belmullet . North Mayo representative. Very smart move by Mcstay .
McHale - he apparently isn’t liked by all the players. But maybe that’s a good thing …….
McStay would be a good choice, did well with Roscommon. Will that suspension he got at the end of his Roscommon term carry over or is that gone now?
I didn't see Buckley when I read the article first.
Too busy trying to type my anti-McHale rant :)
But yeah, Rochford and Buckley on the same ticket, that's good, McHale would only be window dressing in that case.
What I noticed was missing from Mayo recently was that really tough, hard agressive tackling that we were used to in previous years.
That hard edge that I believe I saw the best of in the 2016 final, where every time a Dublin player got the ball there was a Mayo man there to knock him on his ass.
That was Buckley's work, we need that back.
Surprising to hear McHale would be considered a laps of the field type of coach. He hasn't been on anything I listen to in a long time but do recall interviews on podcasts and things where he would have talked about GAA coaching which reference to basketball methods. Always like to see guys who are big into US sports on any coaching ticket as I feel most of the training & development innovation comes out of those sports. I would have thought McHale would have his finger on the pulse that way.
You have to hope that guys who show a long term desire to be involved are the type of guys who are open to learning as the years go by. There's the famous passage from Donaghy's book about Jack O'Connor dismissing the idea of scenario type training (again, came from basketball I think) and we ended up losing a final from four points up with a few minutes left while Dublin had drilled for that exact scenario. Fast forward ten years and it seems Jack has become much more open to whatever the latest and greatest methods in coaching are.
McStay strikes me as having the humility and reflection to keep learning, you would think that himself and McHale wouldn't still be knocking around together all this time if McHale wasn't the same.
Hard to know if the mcstay ticket would be a good move. Rochford has already managed most of these lads and buckley has coached them. Would that familiarity be an issue for mcstay to manage the team?
Also, he is a bit too nice to my mind. We dont need another manager talking about how good a group these lads are and how lucky we are to have them. We need someone to be a bit more cold and calculated with them I feel.
I like the idea of paul galvin being involved personally. He has flagged our insistance of soloing the ball for the sake of it, instead of getting it to the forward early from a long way back.
McHale probably gets too hard of a time or too little credit. He's a (very) confident guy and that just doesn't sit well with many. I'd be guilty of dismissing him a bit myself.
On your last point, McStay and McHale are brother's in law, there's a fairly strong bond there outside of football.
McHale was involved with Maughan in 2004 and Maughan was very much a laps of the field guy.
My beef with him comes from an Off The Ball (the original Off The Ball) interview he did after Mayo's 2006 loss to Kerry.
He was very critical of the management that night.
My thoughts were "you were in the same position yourself two years earlier and you did just as bad, you are in no position to criticize the current management "
I also think that the fact that the players were against him in 2014 is telling.
Theses were the new Mayo who had spent the last 4 seasons bringing Mayo from being a laughing stock to serious consistent competitors.
They wanted no part of McHale.
They knew it would be a regressive step.
Rochford left in 2018, there has been a fair bit of turnover since then.
True, but a few high profile ones are still knocking around! Id like a fresh set of eyes personally, be it old allegiances or old gripes from not getting jobs previously - none of that stuff is positive I feel.
You would wonder how nobody from outside the county seems to be getting a mention
Doesn't look like he'd be doing much coaching in that line up anyway, I suppose he's McStay's confidante now more than anything. I think it's a pretty good ticket overall. Definitely agree with you about the decline in tackling intensity in the forwards. Mayo at their best thrived on turnovers high up the field from workrate of the likes of COC & Doherty. I think if you could get that back and have the hard running from deep as a secondary avenue of attack in more structured play you would have the outline of a really good gameplan that suits the players available. ROD seems made for it.
Pretty sneaky of mcstay to leak his (pretty star studded) team like that. Clearly designed to put the pressure on just a day before nominations close, not really the right way to do it imo. I guess he feels like he was burned back in 2014 in an unfair way
Hard to fault his backroom team though, will be interesting to see what the other nominations are comprised of
Hard to blame him. The more things are out in the open the better. If you dont have a cloak you cant use the dagger
Over on the football championship thread there is a Meath poster called Sonny something or other who posts huge long posts.
Anyway in the middle of one a few days ago he mentioned Buckley being part of O'Rourke's Meath setup.
If that is true then it's either aspirational from O'Rourke or McStay or from both of them to be including Buckley in their plans.
In fairness, putting it out in the public domain is the opposite of sneaky!!!! Its the behind closed doors stuff that and letting rumours out here and there thats the sneaky approach?
No doubt a calculated move all the same but I can't see how it could be classed as sneaky!
A lot of cooks in the kitchen in that backroom team...
Well it's a leak to the media rather than an official announcement by him AFAIK
With such a big backroom team plus mcstay how will they pay for it?
Said the same thing today, McStay is a good PR man, everyone is talking about the great backroom team
Cute more than sneaky
Cute move alright but it might not play well with influential people and fwiw id prefer things to stay behind closed doors, we don't need this appointment process becoming a media circus.
Wasn't this allegedly his down fall last time, wanted to be compensated for giving up media duties and have McHale as a full time coach employed by mayo gaa. Is this still the ask as well as team building weekends away and a star studded coaching ticket who are not getting involved for the love of mayo only ? Personally, I don't think he the one but if he gets a shot at it then fair play to him
Tim O'Leary will fork out if asked..
You'd want to out of your mind to ask <snip> for a cent. The stuff he posts on twitter is real bottom of the barrel stuff.
Despite whether the people he's targeting deserve scrutiny or not, the vulgar and personalised way he does it is classless and something he should be ashamed of.
Like he has done already?
Absolute nothing man,
Tipping 50 and shouting like a teenager on twitter.
Next management ticket has hit the papers:
Mike Solan
Aidan O’Rourke
Eamon O’Hara
Alan Murphy
Mark Ronaldson
No comparison between the two management teams .
Mayo GAA will be worried about these huge backroom teams and the expenses required. Considering we have an unknown amount of debt left to pay on McHale Park.
Well they'll be in a worse position if they go for a cheap option that doesn't know what it's at and the crowds dwindle away and we don't make it to croker regularly - where will the revenue come from then?
No county gaa gets revenue from days out in Croke Park.
No but a successful team generates more interest in county raffles , fundraisers etc etc
Success breeds success and all that
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