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Hard to blame him. The more things are out in the open the better. If you dont have a cloak you cant use the dagger
Pretty sneaky of mcstay to leak his (pretty star studded) team like that. Clearly designed to put the pressure on just a day before nominations close, not really the right way to do it imo. I guess he feels like he was burned back in 2014 in an unfair way
Hard to fault his backroom team though, will be interesting to see what the other nominations are comprised of
Doesn't look like he'd be doing much coaching in that line up anyway, I suppose he's McStay's confidante now more than anything. I think it's a pretty good ticket overall. Definitely agree with you about the decline in tackling intensity in the forwards. Mayo at their best thrived on turnovers high up the field from workrate of the likes of COC & Doherty. I think if you could get that back and have the hard running from deep as a secondary avenue of attack in more structured play you would have the outline of a really good gameplan that suits the players available. ROD seems made for it.
True, but a few high profile ones are still knocking around! Id like a fresh set of eyes personally, be it old allegiances or old gripes from not getting jobs previously - none of that stuff is positive I feel.
You would wonder how nobody from outside the county seems to be getting a mention
Rochford left in 2018, there has been a fair bit of turnover since then.
McHale was involved with Maughan in 2004 and Maughan was very much a laps of the field guy.
My beef with him comes from an Off The Ball (the original Off The Ball) interview he did after Mayo's 2006 loss to Kerry.
He was very critical of the management that night.
My thoughts were "you were in the same position yourself two years earlier and you did just as bad, you are in no position to criticize the current management "
I also think that the fact that the players were against him in 2014 is telling.
Theses were the new Mayo who had spent the last 4 seasons bringing Mayo from being a laughing stock to serious consistent competitors.
They wanted no part of McHale.
They knew it would be a regressive step.
McHale probably gets too hard of a time or too little credit. He's a (very) confident guy and that just doesn't sit well with many. I'd be guilty of dismissing him a bit myself.
On your last point, McStay and McHale are brother's in law, there's a fairly strong bond there outside of football.
Hard to know if the mcstay ticket would be a good move. Rochford has already managed most of these lads and buckley has coached them. Would that familiarity be an issue for mcstay to manage the team?
Also, he is a bit too nice to my mind. We dont need another manager talking about how good a group these lads are and how lucky we are to have them. We need someone to be a bit more cold and calculated with them I feel.
I like the idea of paul galvin being involved personally. He has flagged our insistance of soloing the ball for the sake of it, instead of getting it to the forward early from a long way back.
Surprising to hear McHale would be considered a laps of the field type of coach. He hasn't been on anything I listen to in a long time but do recall interviews on podcasts and things where he would have talked about GAA coaching which reference to basketball methods. Always like to see guys who are big into US sports on any coaching ticket as I feel most of the training & development innovation comes out of those sports. I would have thought McHale would have his finger on the pulse that way.
You have to hope that guys who show a long term desire to be involved are the type of guys who are open to learning as the years go by. There's the famous passage from Donaghy's book about Jack O'Connor dismissing the idea of scenario type training (again, came from basketball I think) and we ended up losing a final from four points up with a few minutes left while Dublin had drilled for that exact scenario. Fast forward ten years and it seems Jack has become much more open to whatever the latest and greatest methods in coaching are.
McStay strikes me as having the humility and reflection to keep learning, you would think that himself and McHale wouldn't still be knocking around together all this time if McHale wasn't the same.
I didn't see Buckley when I read the article first.
Too busy trying to type my anti-McHale rant :)
But yeah, Rochford and Buckley on the same ticket, that's good, McHale would only be window dressing in that case.
What I noticed was missing from Mayo recently was that really tough, hard agressive tackling that we were used to in previous years.
That hard edge that I believe I saw the best of in the 2016 final, where every time a Dublin player got the ball there was a Mayo man there to knock him on his ass.
That was Buckley's work, we need that back.
McStay would be a good choice, did well with Roscommon. Will that suspension he got at the end of his Roscommon term carry over or is that gone now?
It would be a big boost to the older players like Keegan in my opinion . I hope he makes
Him captain
Mcstay is surely highly regarded and respected. He is the front man
Rochford will be the brains behind the scene . He surely has to have their respect
Buckley. No need to say anything . Highly respected .
Mulligan - win intermediate with Belmullet . North Mayo representative. Very smart move by Mcstay .
McHale - he apparently isn’t liked by all the players. But maybe that’s a good thing …….
I wonder if the inclusion of McHale will cause a stirr.
Remember back in 2015 it was the players who did not want McHale involved.
But that's 7 years ago, a lot of them are retired, the new guys may well not have the same opinions.
I think at the time there was a fear that McHale would be a step down from the likes of Buckley who was with Horan for the first term.
McHale being a "laps of the pitch" guy in the Maughan mold from the 1990s and 2000s.
I like McStay as a pundit, both on RTE and the podcast.
But how good a manager would he be?
Can we learn anything from his Roscommon tenure, seeing as it was Roscommon after all?
I’d be absolutely delighted if that comes to pass
Is there a list going round of people NOT linked to the Mayo job? 😅
Hopefully it's confirmed one way or the other soon
That makes a bit more sense alright.
Unusual that Rochford seems to have settled for an assistant role these days, you would think that he would want another crack at the top job, but maybe that role suits him better.
Looks like it's just the other way round with McStay number 1 and Rochford assistant!
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kevin-mcstay-puts-name-forward-to-become-mayo-manager-and-assembles-star-studded-backroom-team-41875302.html
Probably on the condition that he didn't get the Mayo job
Regarding Rochford, I read yesterday he would have been part of a potential Meath setup that wasnt chosen. Would he really be preparing for two jobs at once? Maybe so, but seems off to me
Its like people put a bunch of names into a hat and started drawing them out.
I wouldn't believe any of it.
That's a very fair point on McStay and McHale!
The Rochford, McStay, McHale card would lead me to believe it isn't genuine. Would McStay be happy to play second fiddle to him? Would Rochford really pick McStay and McHale... Both strong personalities and a bit of a duo, the balance of power wouldn't be what a manager would want imo. I just can't see how that trio would work in balance.
I like the look of the Dempsey card and it's more or less what I would have expected.
Just seeing that about Oisins brother, that's awful news.
Ray Dempsey; Ciaran McDonald; Paul Galvin; Terry Kennedy
A Knockmore, Crosmolina and Ballina man on the same ticket. Could make for fireworks!
In my opinion, the most important things for the new management team, who even they are, is to get our players practising the skills of passing and shooting more frequently. Repeated practice is what makes displays like those put in by Clifford and Walsh Sunday possible. Natural talent + Continuous Practice = Individual Performance. Too often I feel we, as in Mayo football culture, believe that natural talent gets you to team where the system takes over. When then pressure comes on then, often the skills will suffer as there is no reps to fall back on. Clifford and Walsh look effortless because of the effort they put in to practice. The time players put in on the back pitch with their mates on a Friday evening is as important as the time in the gym.
I'm as well to put them up here with the caveat this is a whatsapp message and I have no idea how genuine it is!
Mike Solan; Donie Buckley; Enda McGinley
Stephen Rochford; Kevin McStay; Liam McHale
Declan Shaw, Peter Forde, Tommy O'Malley.
I'd take that.
There is a whatsapp message going around now with four teams. Absolutely no way of knowing how genuine it is and it probably isn't. But one of the teams has Rochford backed by Mcstay and McHale
Saw that alright, thanked Rochford for the support
Did anyone see Bernard Flynns tweet before he edited last night? Looks like Rochford was involved in his backroom team for Meath.
God love them, desperate, desperate news.
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