Do people think the sentence is fair? I followed the case. I think it is about right. Probably on the lower end of a sexual assault case but i do think a custodial sentence was required.
I agree none of this sits right at all and seems way over the top and even for the judge to say its an unusual case. So therefore he should appeal the prison sentence and her mental health be taking into account. I'd even go as far as checking if she had any issues prior to all of this which undoubtedly played a part in the sentence.
The wittless simpelton should have told shown her the door and told her not to wase his time in future, if you're sleepy call a cab and feck off to your own bed luv. He cucked himself into a jail term the dumbass.
He wouldnt have gotten a custodial sentence if he plead guilty to be fair. That was shockingly dumb.
I would have found him not guilty if i'd been on that jury.
You never included "while she was asleep" why does everyone consistently leave out the most pertinent part of the whole case. He initiated while she was asleep.
He never claimed he was groping her, kissing yes.
But he did not dispute that he was on top of her.
Please explain how. Thats mental.
This woman could find herself celibate for the rest of her life, she might of course move abroad but Ireland is very small and news gets around fast ,no guy in his right mind would ever go near her now
The following July, Ó Leidhin met gardaí and said that after falling asleep together he had woken up and started to kiss the woman and got on top of her. He said he had tried to wake her up and when she did wake up, she was annoyed at what he was doing while she was still asleep
No.
I doubt there will be too many going near your man!
He has a partner that broke down at sentencing.
Jesus, bit of perspective here given the facts of the case we are not dealing with an evil sex predator.
Its not a crime to initiate while asleep. Please read previous posts
There's no crime being on top of someone.
Would ya listen to the bile on here , oh maybe her leg was on top of her leg. He literally told the gardai he was on top of her!
Funny that you say a bit of perspective to me. Not the poster who said the VICTIM will be celibate for life. Funny that.
Oh god. It is a crime to sexually assault someone while asleep. He had no consent.
Sexual assault wasn't stated. Are you even reading the posts?
Nothing was published about her current status, so I couldn't. Nothing strange about it.
That's not true, she has had sexual encounters since according to her witness statement.
The ways some are posting you'd swear this lad was the Night Stalker.
He made an error in a moment whilst with a woman who he had ben intimate and lustful with that evening. He immediately stopped when she asked.
This talk of sleep seems to be weighted far too heavily in some people's eyes when judging him.
Many men and women have been intimate and touchy when someone they are initimate with has been dozing or sleeping or not fully awake
Doesn't make them bad, perverts, creeps etc.......the ones that continue to do it when asked to stop? Now, yes, these people deserve to be taken to task
According to reports he was trying to wake her.
He immediately stopped when asked, and for me this should be seen as far more positive than people spinning this event as him being "rapey creepy."
Climb on top of someone who's asleep and tell that to the guards, let us know how you get on.
I guess the bottom line is he shouldn't have initiated sexual activity while she was asleep. To be honest it was very unfair what he did. She had the right to sleep without being party to sexual activity she wasn't aware would happen before it started.
Amazing how easy that sounds, and yet the boards proud boys are at pains to blame her.
It's not even up for debate.
If you grope someone who is asleep that is textbook sexual assault.
This isn't a I thought she implied consent or I read the singles wrong case.
It's the one thing that is crystal clear in the law, a person that is asleep cannot consent, therefore if you touch them in a sexual way that is sexual assault.
It's also there for good reason, now you could argue the law should be changed based on your own beliefs, but trying to water it down would certainly be a slippery slope.
You can admit that and also admit that his punishment was severe, because it was, it's a fact. That's why there is 3 threads on it.
But people also need to realise that a conviction like this is extremely rare, the crime itself isn't obviously virtually all people would see it as having no malice.
We learn a lot of things in school yet some of the most fundamental life lessons are left to parents to teach. Sometimes people simply don't get that education from their parents. The two lessons the lad needs to learn from this are
For all those crying about life being so hard for a fella now. It's simple respect the girl at all times and 99/100 you'll be fine.
No, consent does though. In your hypothetical situation it is up to the partner to decide if consent existed when she was slapped on the ass by her partner.
Sometimes people simply don't get that education from their parents
An absolute cop out I can't stand, there is absolutely nothing to suggest this lads parents are nothing short of stellar character.
You could make the same lazy remark about her parents.
Don't go home with a stranger, if something creepy happens get the fúck of dodge immediately, if you are terrified of him, do not communicate and for God sake do not invite him into your home.
These were 2 fully grown adults in there 30s. Not teenagers.
No ones parents are on trial to suggest they erred in some way is remedial nonsense speculation.
It's called jury nullification. This is when the jury understands that the law has been broken but doesn't agree that the offence should be illegal.
Judges tend to not like when juries go down this route and in their closing remarks and direction to the jury they don't tend to outline this option to them. It doesn't mean it doesn't exist however.
One could consider the Nally case one of jury nullification.
One could consider the Nally case one of jury nullification
In what way?
Well we will never agree. I think creepy is more than fair to describe this chap. And i think the proof is there for that. Ill leave it with you there. Enjoy your day.
