Follow the money, or sure its all grand and above board?
What's to explain?
Ó Broin is on today anyway. They won't be doing it together.
Eoin O Brion and Regina Doherty are hosting the hard shoulder on newstalk this week.
Don’t ask me to explain it because I’m just as confused.
The only thing Sf care about or even study is how to disrupt the government and protest something or another. Solutions to problems... naaah... that's not their gig.
You think that you get to decide what is or isn't offensive?
As someone who would like to see this island united, just in a very different way to the exclusionary nationalists on here, I don't like being labelled as something I am not.
However, beyond the offensiveness to some people of the term partitionist, there is the inaccuracy of the term. The elite team of exclusionary nationalists use the term to describe anyone who doesn't agree with their sectarian headcount view of the world so a lot of people who believe in some form of a united Ireland are mislabelled.
The same way that people might use the P-word to describe a Sri Lankan.
Has anyone found a Sinn Fein rep to tell us whether they even understand what reducing emissions is all about, let alone have a position on it?
The planet is burning and SF don't give a crap seems to be the message they are promoting.
I lived in the North for years.
The absolute state of you calling stranger on the internet names 🙈
The problem you have is that you haven't a clue what a United Ireland should or could be like, instead you fire out a few buzz word to think it sounds good.
The people that want a United Ireland want to see a successful Ireland for everyone, it doesn't matter what their background/religion/etc are. But carry on, it's funny to watch
Why is that Partitionists are so offended by the very word that describes their politics? Bizarre.
As for my politics... Are you the internet police? Where can I submit proof that I'm not a 'Shinner' to sate your desire for closure on that topic?
Forgive me for assuming you were being disingenuous, given your form, and unbeknownst to me, that you were incapable of using the internet to satisfy your thirst for such knowledge.
See, from my point of view, you'd have to assume someone who spends so much time online, and in a thread devoted to Sinn Féin that you'd be au fait with the definition of such a word.
Silly me for thinking that I guess.
Now, on the off-chance that you are being genuine, and seeing as you still haven't been able to work it out up to this point given even the context in which it has been used, I guess it would be rude not to help you out-
I mean, Partitionism at a very crude and basic level, is the act of "othering" those in the North. That is, to accentuate the perception that there's a difference in the value of one group's Irishness over the rest of us and that the jurisdictional difference is what counts above and beyond the culture and identity of those that live in Fermanagh, Armagh, Tyrone, Derry, Antrim and Down.
Allied to that, there's a tendency for the adherents of this weird attitude to see no value in a United Ireland as well as to mock any movement or discussion that tries to move that conversation or indeed that aspiration along.
You know, the sort of despicable behaviour that Partitionists like yourself engage in.
The absolute state of you making demands from a stranger on the internet. 😂😂😂😂
Doesn't seem to actually understand what the word means either.
It's very strange to call me a Partitionist when I have said many times I want a United Ireland so I am confused to what they think the word means
Denies being a shinner...two lines later fires in the "partitionist" jibe.
Any other hackneyed terms you want to get off your chest...."west brit" maybe, "free stater".. "shoneen"?
Simple question, you have constantly repeated the word, so explain it to me?
Quick say partitionist again. Do you understand what the word means? If you could explain it to me please ? 🙏
Thank you
I don't know why you're quoting me. It's Mr O'Daly that I was congratulating on seeing the light.
Who says I support SF?
Aspiration to a UI =/= support for SF
I mean, poor aul Mark accepted that fact in a few posts above you. I would have thought that all of you Partitionists rolled in behind one another on your speaking points.
Questions about the future of the health service, the cost implications of unity, an all-island health service; future governance arrangements; taxation; pensions and public services; and the place of unionists within the new Ireland, are among many important issues that a Citizens’ Assembly could discuss in an informed environment.
Why do they need a "Citizens Assembly", they are in the North and know the budgets etc. Why don't they come out with a plan and include the Citizen assembly as part of that?
The citizen assembly as noted below will only discuss topics like flag/etc. None of the actual financial discussion can happen which is the main discussion which needs to happen.
What do you think a "citizen assembly" is going to achieve?
A citizens’ assembly is a group of people who are brought together to discuss an issue or issues and reach a conclusion about what they think should happen. The people who take part are chosen so they reflect the wider population – in terms of demographics (e.g. age, gender, ethnicity, social class) and sometimes relevant attitudes (e.g. preferences for a small or large state).
Citizens’ assemblies give members of the public the time and opportunity to learn about and discuss a topic, before reaching conclusions. Assembly members are asked to make trade-offs and arrive at workable recommendations.
Citizens’ assemblies have been used in the UK and other countries – including Australia, Canada and the United States – to tackle a range of complex issues. A citizens’ assembly has recently taken place in the Republic of Ireland – established by the Irish parliament – to address a number of important legal and policy issues facing Irish society. These have included equal marriage, abortion and the opportunities and challenges of an ageing population.
Sinn Fein have been calling for a Citizens Assembly to discuss these things, guess what parties say no to it?
If you want a United Ireland it's not a poll that is going to change anything.
You need a plan, something which you would expect a political party to come up. Especially when the major question is around financial terms, well SInn Fein are in the assembly for 24 years so should know the exact costs.
So tell you what, why dont you contact SF and ask them to come up with a financial plan so everyone can push ahead with a United Ireland....
Post the feedback here 🤗
I already did in a previous post.
Why would i discuss other parties in a SF thread.
It was another good poll for SF. That was what i said and thats true.
I said it was MORE GOOD POLL results for SF. That is correct
This is a SF thread, why would i discuss other parties ambitions etc on a SF thread.
Not sure why you support SF is you want to aspire to a United Ireland.
One of the few parties with politicians on both side of the border, keep telling everyone they are the biggest party in Ireland. Are supposed to be running the assembly after 24 years in it and ..........
wait no they......
No nothing.....absolutely nothing.
No idea of a plan, no financial details, no proposal on what could happen. Nada. Nothing. Zero. Zip
Yet the premise was put forward that a UI was a SF only issue.... which now you agree is false.
I'm just glad YOU now accept that the aspiration to a UI is not solely the preserve of SF. It's taken you a while to get there. But well done. It shows that growth is possible even with the most entrenched Partitionists.
My original post stated it was a good poll result for SF as they want a UI.
I didnt say it wasnt a win for other parties did I? If you think its a good poll for others, i.e FF/FG/Greens maybe discuss them in their own thread
Seems a bit of confusion then between both posts?
I also what about Green Party/PBP etc?
This is the full list from the Republic from 2020 but would expect the same.
Not sure from the North but the Alliance for one sits on the fence.
Fine Gael: The party’s full official title is “Fine Gael – The United Ireland Party”. So, yes based on the principle of consent and a majority, north and south, being in favour.
Fianna Fáil: Yes. A United Ireland is a founding goal of our party. We believe it should be achieved through consensus.
Sinn Féin: Yes.
Labour: Labour aspires to the unification of all the people on the island of Ireland, first and foremost, as the logical and necessary first step towards political unity. The best thing we can do to secure that now is to ensure the institutions of the Good Friday Agreement are fully operational.
People Before Profit: Yes we do.
Green Party: Yes.
The Social Democrats (From the party’s manifesto): We believe that a United Ireland, achieved by consent, has the real potential to benefit the people of the entire island economically, politically and culturally. We will therefore work towards achieving this in a spirit of mutual respect of all peoples who share this island and based on a foundation of Social Democratic principles.
Aontú (The party’s website outlines the following policy): Aontú seeks the independence of the Irish people north and south, east and west. We believe in self-determination; that decisions made as close to the people that they affect, are better decisions. Irish people can influence those decisions and they can hold the decision makers to account. When decisions are made in London, Brussels and Berlin they are not made in Ireland’s interest.
Irish Freedom Party: Yes we aspire to a democratic United Ireland. We are an all-Ireland party who wants an Ireland ruled by the Irish people not by London or Brussels.
The National Party: The National Party supports the unification of Ireland in one sovereign and independent republic.
FF (most of their elected reps and members do)
FG (only say they do, as they would lose votes otherwise)
Labour (who cares)
SDLP (of course they do)
You mean FF, FG, Labour and the SDLP have no ambition for a UI?
I mean, we all did. Glad to see you've accepted it finally. There's hope yet for the rest of the disingenuous Partitionists out there.
Ahh here, it is like the 140k before additional tax and then suddenly 100k before additional tax. Incompetent at every level of the party.
Spend too much time flip flopping around to actually figure out what position they hold on any subject, the problem is if they hold a position it can get pulled to pieces which they have figured out, so now they hold no position on anything.
They want to reduce CO2, then they raise a motion to keep turf for sale etc
They want to get rid of carbon tax but in fact they don't want to get rid of carbon tax. They think they want to get rid of carbon tax increases
As someone said "whatever way the wind blows, Sinn Fein goes"
