Do people think the sentence is fair? I followed the case. I think it is about right. Probably on the lower end of a sexual assault case but i do think a custodial sentence was required.
Indeed and to those arguing that this illustrates why " consent classes " are needed, quite the opposite, it's listening to a narrative of how men should always meekly aquaisce to women that landed this guy in trouble, this was extremely easy to avoid ending up in court no matter how vindictive this lady was ,she had no proof anything happened
He's gullible for admitting what he did?
Buyers remorse. Seriously?
Agree, I still feel that there is more to this , was she egged on by her friends and family to totally rip him to pieces, hes career is gone, 15 months is harsh sentence. She chewed him up and had him for breakfast.
I think he was too honest, stupid, naive, like a fish out of water. I hope he learns his lesson from this.
I think this case will be pivotal in terms of highlighting the concept of “consent” in educational settings in the future- the victim impact statement is a distressing read - it certainly a case that gets people thinking. Hopefully some good will come of this very sad situation.
So i think you are saying that this person was manipulated because he had no solicitor. If he didn't comitt acrime he should not have being in court.
I only know what i read here,
Obviously because the supreme gentlemen of Boards are out, it's entirely the woman's fault. And the biggest crime the bloke committed was being gullible. He's the real victim amiright?
I'd suggest he shares a little responsibility for touching up someone who wasn't conscious and wasn't in a position to consent. Is that too much to expect on Boards?
Im just replying to mad max outlined scenario above, Im saying he should have went "No comment" on any questions put to him by the Garda.
he co-operated with the Garda, maybe with no solicitor present during questioning? I dont know why he met her post the ONS , its obviously she was pissed and wanted evidence, so there was a text trial and calls and maybe she recorded him, she deffo went to town on the guy.
The usual scumbags coming out of the woodwork.
No.
She willing returned to his house, consensually engaged in sexually activity, then under own free wil stayed in the bed with him, and also alluded to possibly later picking up on where they had left off.
At a later point he initiated. She said no and he stopped.
Had he continued, then in that circumstance it would have been a sexual assault.
Modern society and its lack of personal accountability is really becoming very concerning. Everyone is a victim nowadays and it is entertained.
He incriminated himself obviously by meeting her post the ONS night and after, co-operated with the Garda investigation, not sure if he had a brief present during questioning, he basically hung himself, what did he actually do btw, what was the offence, seems on the lower end of the scale to me.
Mod - Moved to CA
I already did answer. And it's no. Never when someone was asleep.
Consent can be withdrawn at anytime and is automatically so once someone is asleep. How on Earth can you be so ignorant of this?
Don't ever go near random women. Dangerous person with attitudes like that.
That follow up meeting they had was a bad omen for your man...why did she expect of him as the event outcome couldn't be unfolded at that stage...did she think this could/ wanted it to... lead to a relationship and he laughed it off /agree to disagree which really infuriated her and she felt used and his fate was probably sealed at that stage
Very strange case , I don’t see what he was guilty of? how many men and women have dropped the hand without asking for consent?
this fella cops a feel and gets 18 months, a man in my locality was found guilty of possessing and distributing hard child porn and got 6 months
i don’t get it .
Mods can these similar threads be merged please?
If he hadn't pleaded guilty there would have been no conviction here, have no idea why he did, he did nothing wrong.
Sexual.assualt was the offence. Plenty of rapists thing rape isn't a big deal either, doesn't make it the case though.
She got all coy all of a sudden, she had no business remaining in his bed or house for that matter from that point on,you don't go home with people to nap in their beds
So you think admitting to police something which can't be proved is prudent and wise?
15 months is a **** joke.
If I am asleep in a bed with my wife, 30cm apart, and she awakens, rolls towards me, and hugs me, while I am still asleep, is that assault?
I am asleep, no words were spoken, I may half wake up soon after, maybe.
@Faugheen i’ll refer this query to you.
Like I said earlier, effects of WOKE Progressive indoctrination, probably felt instinctively in the wrong so was overly keen to assuage, he made awful decisions at every turn and effectively offered himself up on a plate ,prosecuting guard saw an easy opportunity for promotion and took it
Depends on the thing. In this scenario the world would have believed the girl anyways so his main "out" is his character and behaviour before but also during the hearing. Hence taking an honest approach. He wouldn't have faired as well if he denied everything I don't think. Not in today's world where the woman is generally assumed to be telling the truth if she's going all the way through the courts.
I think he really needed Judge Nolan as the case Judge and Justice Karen O'connor should have presided over the case with that scumbag Garda.
If a tree falls in the woods, and no one is around to hear it, does it make a noise?
Yes.
Rubbish, there was absolutely nothing to go on without his volunteered confession, all he had to do was deny everything she accused him of
And I'll refer back to your rapey comments that men can do whatever they like to women while they sleep.
I doubt that.
Anyway consent wasn't withdrawn prior to her going asleep, and who ever said it was withdrawn automatically? That's a new one on me.
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