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On current polling, Labour would be hard pressed to hold 3 seats and one of them may not be Bacik's in DBS. Labour betrayed those who voted for it and voters remember. The younger voters seem to have drifted the the SocDems. Soft FF voters have drifted back to FF. The biggest problem that Labour faces is that its candidates are almost completely dependent on transfer votes which will stay with FF and FG candidates. Labour isn't the change people need.
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The Greens benefited from SF transfers and poor candidate strategies by FG and FF in the last GE. There was also that Greta Thunberg fanaticism. That caused some Leftists to vote Green thinking that it was the new Labour. It wasn't. There was split with some Greens going off to form the Green Left party but that seems to have sunk without trace. The Greens will try to get as much of their policies implemented before contemplating pulling the plug. Not sure if the 30% thing is a deal breaker but it would be a good thing for FF to walk on it more than the Greens. FF could pitch it to rural voters as standing up for rural Ireland and all those jobs in agriculture.
Well, somebody once told a Green TD the worst day in government was better than the best day in opposition. Even if they could say push up the agriculture emissions target by a single percentage point beyond what it would be if the government was just FF & FG, they would see that as partial justification of their existence.
They might have a role in an SF-led Left government, but they would be an even smaller cog in that machine, and it remains in question whether SF is any more committed to the Green agenda than FF and FG
Yeah MM got called a flip flop now you are trying to work it in any chance you get. Well done. The Dept. of education isn't a political party FYI etc.
John Paul Phelan a FG TD and a former Minister of State for Local Government and Electoral Reform has said he will resign the whip if the target goes above 22%.
That the same John Paul Phelan that owns shares in Glanbia?
That's the chappy mentioned on Twitter earlier, My My does he have farming connections 🤔
Ah, he does have farming connections 😉
This is turning into a bit of a a slurry Pit 😏
This is going to upset the Greens who wouldn't know a cow from a donkey. :)
Ah now. Not happy about this.
FFG need to hang tough and guide us through the rest of their term. Let's see where all their plans and previous financial management get us in 3 years.
Why fight over a plan we all know will fail miserably. Same as the new retrofit plan which is failing already.
Good night 😴
Yes.
A lot of hot air emanating from cabinet yesterday. Lots of Squabbling.
Some crisis! These overpaid politicians feck off for six weeks of holidays rather than stay on and solve the problem. They definitely aren't worth the money they are paid. :)
Some have clearly had their holiday plans curtailed , I'm gutted for them 😏
What's going to change between now and September, the science, the level of climate change or Ryan's resistance?
Bascially they are saying they need time to pressure Ryan into submission.
Yep, that's how I'm reading this, I don't think Ryan budging, he knows he has FFG by the you know what's, if he gives in on this, The Greens will loose the tiny bit of integrity they have left. ER surely must know FFG have been taking him for fool all along 🤔 he's been scapegoated so many times, I've lost count at this stage.
And it's all just political preening and oneupmanship as they have no intention or hope of meeting these targets anyway. It's just support for the popcorn industry realy.
I make my own popcorn , I'm sensing a lot of popping and crackling in my humble abode over the coming weeks 😏
Who said Irish Politics dull in July, August and most of September 😁
Despite the gloating over this issue, I note that not one poster actually has a position. In fact a number of posters here I would put in the 'Climate Change Denier' bin.
It's a tough one politically of course to get this over the line, the Greens have their mandate, as does the rural TDs. At least they are trying to get something over the line, unlike the main opposition party who is basically running away from the debate.
The Greens have no intention of meeting the targets?
Another Francie special.
Well show us what targets have been met up to this? They are missing targets because the Greens in order to feel cuddly and warm have totally unrealistic ideas of what is achievable.
It's baffling this thread. One minute the same group are complaining because the government have rushed into something, the next minute they are complaining because the government is not rushing into something. Every day it seems like "whatever way the wind blow this thread goes"
They haven't a clue what they want or what they should want. If Ireland actually had a coherent opposition you could have a different opinion on some of these subject but it's like looking into a field of thistles when the you look into the opposition side of the Dail. Good for an old video and a rehearsed speech every so often but nothing else.
When one of the opposition parties got asked about this matter, they ran for the hills and said they had no idea.
Morning Marko, you vanished suddenly yesterday morning had hoped for an apology but anyway , Gloating is not how I'd describe discussing ongoing debacle with this FFGG government, there's some good news stories , why not share them so we can discuss 🤔
No more than myself, the people want the political grandstanding to stop and realistic, achieveable targets that minimise upheaval and pain to people, agriculture and business, to be set.
What is going on atm is political oneupmanship and grandstanding internally in the coalition and from a viewers perspective it is pure popcorn because the upshot will not be achieving targets.
Nothing at All Baffling BA apart from the lack of good news about FFGG you and others don't want to share with us to discuss , debate etc etc
Chair of the Greens threatens to walk.
24.1% is my bet. 😁
And still the Leo adverts following across boards this morning 🙄
It's a quite a list of options for the Greens.
A. Stick to their guns, Leo & MM Loose a few TD'S but coalition hangs on by a thread, propped up by a few FFG Independents.
B. FFG don't budge , Greens walk (unlikely) but save some dignity, GE , but none want that.
C. No agreement reached , all look like fools , matter put on the long finger , same as you go , so to speak and Tensions continue to Rise and a few Greens walk but there's still enough FFG Independents lurking to keep the show on the road.
I go with option 3
Plenty of good news knocking around
€2m Sport for All Disability Supports Club Fund
ZEVI was announced
etc etc
But it funnier just to sit and watch the current carry on
Another post on polls is SO interesting.
