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Yeah MM got called a flip flop now you are trying to work it in any chance you get. Well done. The Dept. of education isn't a political party FYI etc.
Well, somebody once told a Green TD the worst day in government was better than the best day in opposition. Even if they could say push up the agriculture emissions target by a single percentage point beyond what it would be if the government was just FF & FG, they would see that as partial justification of their existence.
They might have a role in an SF-led Left government, but they would be an even smaller cog in that machine, and it remains in question whether SF is any more committed to the Green agenda than FF and FG
The Greens benefited from SF transfers and poor candidate strategies by FG and FF in the last GE. There was also that Greta Thunberg fanaticism. That caused some Leftists to vote Green thinking that it was the new Labour. It wasn't. There was split with some Greens going off to form the Green Left party but that seems to have sunk without trace. The Greens will try to get as much of their policies implemented before contemplating pulling the plug. Not sure if the 30% thing is a deal breaker but it would be a good thing for FF to walk on it more than the Greens. FF could pitch it to rural voters as standing up for rural Ireland and all those jobs in agriculture.
Regards...jmcc
On current polling, Labour would be hard pressed to hold 3 seats and one of them may not be Bacik's in DBS. Labour betrayed those who voted for it and voters remember. The younger voters seem to have drifted the the SocDems. Soft FF voters have drifted back to FF. The biggest problem that Labour faces is that its candidates are almost completely dependent on transfer votes which will stay with FF and FG candidates. Labour isn't the change people need.
🤣🤣🤣 too funny
If they can't get the targets deal met now what chance have they of getting other parts of their agenda met? FF and FG see the Greens as a very junior coalition partner and nothing more. FF & FG has throw a few bones at the Greens to keep them happy but this time the Greens want more than a few bones.
Exactly stating putting FF in Govt would be like putting John Delaney back in charge of the FAI and then putting FF in Govt was a major flip flop at the time
Governments have fallen for less. This may be a core issue for the Greens and their obsession with culling the national herd suggests that they don't care about rural Ireland and agriculture. Martin's noises about an SF/FF coalition might highlight some of the FFG fears over this. There's also the whole fuel crisis thing which is about to happen over the Autumn.Virtue signalling for the intellectually challenged who thought that Greta Thunberg was some kind of expert might play well but when people are freezing, things change.
IMO they're going to get steamrollered by SF at the next election no matter what happens. Their best bet is to hang in there as long as they can and implement as much of their agenda as possible.
If this government met a target anywhere it would collapse in surprise. 😁 Quickly followed by everybody else.
It would be a bit odd to fall out over targets that won't be met
So this is how the government ends? Not with a whimper but with a methane laden fart? :)
ER might try to save the Green party by pulling the plug now, as they stick to their principles. He is lucky to have the pandemic and the war in Ukraine to use as excuses and get out of jail free cards. The voting public might forgive the Greens if they show they have principles and are not just in it for the money and their pensions.
You coukd be right , I've little time for the Greens but if I'm being honest, FFG have treated them like punching bags from the start. A lot of the skulduggery wasn't evident throughout the pandemic but it's abundantly clear neither FF OR FG ever took them seriously. ER not innocent, he jumped in head first and has made some astonishing gaffs . The only chance of the Greens saving any face is pulling the plug but o sense ots just a little to early for that, 2 years Ministerial salaries etc etc
Greens are acting like the end of days when they were last in government. Gormley and co had nothing to loose then and they collapsed the government. Could they do the same today?
Any slurry flying 😁 one FG threatened a kerfuffle earlier, saw it mentioned on Twitter, its Delicious, FFG know they are on Thin ICE , greens nothing to loose so digging in .
News from the front; Greens holding out to a savage pincer movement by the combined power swap forces. Lots of blood, hair and gnashing of teeth.
You mean flip flop like FF who would sell their soul to get in government.
Labour can do what they want, they don’t have to be like some parties who “flip flop” every week depending on what way the wind blows ….
I think Labour should do what all parties need to do, put their wares out on display and stick to it as best they can. Labour have a lot of ground to try win back. They went in with FG. With the exception of FF, I can't think of a more poor choice. MM himself said the public wanted a change from FG. Being in with FG was the most recent cause of Labour's decimation. People are likely still looking for a change.
Don't want to drag the thread onto a discussion about Labour but I just wanted to point out an intrinsic incoherence in this 'critical mass' approach that will get ridiculed when political analysts come to look at it closely. What does Bacik say to the Labour-leaning voter who is strongly opposed to SF in government? Doesn't each vote for Labour increase the likelihood that they will reach this mythical threshold and become willing to engage with SF? Do they only vote for Labour candidates they think are unlikely to win a seat?
That certainly is the tactic, but she wouldn't even wear the idea. I honestly don't know where any party who played a role in putting us in generational debt and being on the take has the gall to act all high and mighty. Labour must have suspected by now that they don't represent the people and they sold out their principles long ago.
In fairness the position is not explicitly targeting SF; she is saying Labour won't do coalition with anyone if they don't have this 'critical mass' of seats. In reality I think it's a tactic for managing the rise of SF though; it allows Bacik to keep SF at arm's length and ward off FG accusations that a vote for anyone but FG is a vote for SF. It's just a stalling tactic though: once the GE election campaign kicks off Labour will have to either categorically rule out any deal with SF or explicitly acknowledge they are open to such a deal.
They need to grow up. The whole hesitancy is mired in dated 1970's era dogma, which a lot of the public have moved on from. At this stage after what we've gotten from FF/FG/Green these days, parties need to look at what might work better than more of the same shyster, crony incompetence.
A move towards tenant rights which mean LL cannot get rid of bad tenant.
No it doesn't. A lot of the people who find themselves homeless have been made so due to LL wanting to raise rent or sell. Also this isn't about tenants being a problem for LL. And with owning becoming a fantasy we need protection for the growing number of renters. People still look down on renters yet try tell them to forget about buying and get over it.
What exactly do you expect?
Stop **** using foreign investment funds and build to rent companies to solve housing. It does not work. It makes matters worse.
That's why they are being blocked.
Private companies are investing in build to rents because we have a housing crisis and they know the state will go along with 25 year leases, the **** crony idiots that they are. Short sighted and greedy. At this point FF/FG and now the Greens should be investigated to see are they crooked or just **** idiots.
Yes i contacted my local FF and FG TD as FF and FG Councillors have objected to planning permissions in town recently.
They didn't reply
I never said any of the above so don't twist my post, if I wanted to say that I would have posted it. Thank you
Did you even read the article or just the heading? the main comment in the article is the one I pulled out.
Supply and demand.
We again go back to houses/apartments getting blocked which is reducing supply. If you are so outraged as you say in your post, have you contacted your local TD and political party are not blocking houses?
*(please note again the Department of Education is not a political party)
Sorry the Govt have no control over anything with housing.
DOB although minister for that area, his hands are tied.
The people (and the opposition partys this time) are to blame for the housing disaster
The people have asked for
A move towards tenant rights which mean LL cannot get rid of bad tenant. So LL are leaving market(see below)
People blocking houses all over Ireland, then supporting parties who are blocking houses all over Ireland and giving them credit for it(list already provided on this thread)
Trying to block rental companies from buying houses and if they do buy houses then uproar from opposition parties
This thread is hilarious, one minute you are complaining about companies buying up houses to rent. The next minute you are complaining about rental prices coming up. The next minute you are giving credit to parties for blocking house. Sounds like me something you would hear from the "flip flop" party
I am yet to see any of the posters confirm they have asked the party they support to stop blocking houses/apartments during the crisis.
So not sure why you are complaining when you are helping create the problem
But there has been a 32pc fall off in the number of registered tenancies used in the sample due to a mass exodus of landlords from the market.
This is outrageous. When do the Govt actually do something for renters or will they ever? Do they care?
DOB will go down as the worst housing minister we EVER had
So you think the opposition have an obsession with leo/fg and its because leo/fg won't go into coalition with the main opposition? Interesting but way off IMO.
why we have the obsession online with Leo and FG by some.
He wasn't even mentioned yet you are trying to censor people. They behave like arseholes BA.
Fg are a smaller party. Any coalition would need a third member if fg were in it. Then we've the kind of thing fg do and say, which is commented on. Hardly obsession. Also any opposition would look foolish going in with fg, especially after every opposition party saying they wouldn't partner with fg.
This all helps ff, who I'd rather see out of power as well as fg. It'll be interesting when the party the public wanted out, no 3 seats wise, take control of government. Can't see fortunes changing when the people get another say on it.
