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Labour are kinda sorta saying no to coalition with anybody unless they have a 'critical mass' of seats.
But Bacik will come under intense pressure to clarify herr position on a deal with SF in then run-up to the election and I don't think she will be able to give a categorical 'no'...
Mícheál Mícheál Mícheál...
What are you doing?
Beat me too it by a good few hours. One way for those wavering to SF to reconsider. I mean, if you're gonna get FF even if you vote for FG or SF then what's the point... 🤔
You got to be up early 😂😂
So you think the opposition have an obsession with leo/fg and its because leo/fg won't go into coalition with the main opposition? Interesting but way off IMO.
why we have the obsession online with Leo and FG by some.
He wasn't even mentioned yet you are trying to censor people. They behave like arseholes BA.
Fg are a smaller party. Any coalition would need a third member if fg were in it. Then we've the kind of thing fg do and say, which is commented on. Hardly obsession. Also any opposition would look foolish going in with fg, especially after every opposition party saying they wouldn't partner with fg.
This all helps ff, who I'd rather see out of power as well as fg. It'll be interesting when the party the public wanted out, no 3 seats wise, take control of government. Can't see fortunes changing when the people get another say on it.
This is outrageous. When do the Govt actually do something for renters or will they ever? Do they care?
DOB will go down as the worst housing minister we EVER had
The people have asked for
A move towards tenant rights which mean LL cannot get rid of bad tenant. So LL are leaving market(see below)
People blocking houses all over Ireland, then supporting parties who are blocking houses all over Ireland and giving them credit for it(list already provided on this thread)
Trying to block rental companies from buying houses and if they do buy houses then uproar from opposition parties
What exactly do you expect?
This thread is hilarious, one minute you are complaining about companies buying up houses to rent. The next minute you are complaining about rental prices coming up. The next minute you are giving credit to parties for blocking house. Sounds like me something you would hear from the "flip flop" party
I am yet to see any of the posters confirm they have asked the party they support to stop blocking houses/apartments during the crisis.
So not sure why you are complaining when you are helping create the problem
But there has been a 32pc fall off in the number of registered tenancies used in the sample due to a mass exodus of landlords from the market.
Sorry the Govt have no control over anything with housing.
DOB although minister for that area, his hands are tied.
The people (and the opposition partys this time) are to blame for the housing disaster
I never said any of the above so don't twist my post, if I wanted to say that I would have posted it. Thank you
Did you even read the article or just the heading? the main comment in the article is the one I pulled out.
Supply and demand.
We again go back to houses/apartments getting blocked which is reducing supply. If you are so outraged as you say in your post, have you contacted your local TD and political party are not blocking houses?
*(please note again the Department of Education is not a political party)
Yes i contacted my local FF and FG TD as FF and FG Councillors have objected to planning permissions in town recently.
They didn't reply
They need to grow up. The whole hesitancy is mired in dated 1970's era dogma, which a lot of the public have moved on from. At this stage after what we've gotten from FF/FG/Green these days, parties need to look at what might work better than more of the same shyster, crony incompetence.
A move towards tenant rights which mean LL cannot get rid of bad tenant.
No it doesn't. A lot of the people who find themselves homeless have been made so due to LL wanting to raise rent or sell. Also this isn't about tenants being a problem for LL. And with owning becoming a fantasy we need protection for the growing number of renters. People still look down on renters yet try tell them to forget about buying and get over it.
Stop **** using foreign investment funds and build to rent companies to solve housing. It does not work. It makes matters worse.
That's why they are being blocked.
Private companies are investing in build to rents because we have a housing crisis and they know the state will go along with 25 year leases, the **** crony idiots that they are. Short sighted and greedy. At this point FF/FG and now the Greens should be investigated to see are they crooked or just **** idiots.
In fairness the position is not explicitly targeting SF; she is saying Labour won't do coalition with anyone if they don't have this 'critical mass' of seats. In reality I think it's a tactic for managing the rise of SF though; it allows Bacik to keep SF at arm's length and ward off FG accusations that a vote for anyone but FG is a vote for SF. It's just a stalling tactic though: once the GE election campaign kicks off Labour will have to either categorically rule out any deal with SF or explicitly acknowledge they are open to such a deal.
That certainly is the tactic, but she wouldn't even wear the idea. I honestly don't know where any party who played a role in putting us in generational debt and being on the take has the gall to act all high and mighty. Labour must have suspected by now that they don't represent the people and they sold out their principles long ago.
Don't want to drag the thread onto a discussion about Labour but I just wanted to point out an intrinsic incoherence in this 'critical mass' approach that will get ridiculed when political analysts come to look at it closely. What does Bacik say to the Labour-leaning voter who is strongly opposed to SF in government? Doesn't each vote for Labour increase the likelihood that they will reach this mythical threshold and become willing to engage with SF? Do they only vote for Labour candidates they think are unlikely to win a seat?
I think Labour should do what all parties need to do, put their wares out on display and stick to it as best they can. Labour have a lot of ground to try win back. They went in with FG. With the exception of FF, I can't think of a more poor choice. MM himself said the public wanted a change from FG. Being in with FG was the most recent cause of Labour's decimation. People are likely still looking for a change.
Labour can do what they want, they don’t have to be like some parties who “flip flop” every week depending on what way the wind blows ….
You mean flip flop like FF who would sell their soul to get in government.
News from the front; Greens holding out to a savage pincer movement by the combined power swap forces. Lots of blood, hair and gnashing of teeth.
Any slurry flying 😁 one FG threatened a kerfuffle earlier, saw it mentioned on Twitter, its Delicious, FFG know they are on Thin ICE , greens nothing to loose so digging in .
Greens are acting like the end of days when they were last in government. Gormley and co had nothing to loose then and they collapsed the government. Could they do the same today?
You coukd be right , I've little time for the Greens but if I'm being honest, FFG have treated them like punching bags from the start. A lot of the skulduggery wasn't evident throughout the pandemic but it's abundantly clear neither FF OR FG ever took them seriously. ER not innocent, he jumped in head first and has made some astonishing gaffs . The only chance of the Greens saving any face is pulling the plug but o sense ots just a little to early for that, 2 years Ministerial salaries etc etc
ER might try to save the Green party by pulling the plug now, as they stick to their principles. He is lucky to have the pandemic and the war in Ukraine to use as excuses and get out of jail free cards. The voting public might forgive the Greens if they show they have principles and are not just in it for the money and their pensions.
So this is how the government ends? Not with a whimper but with a methane laden fart? :)
Regards...jmcc
It would be a bit odd to fall out over targets that won't be met
If this government met a target anywhere it would collapse in surprise. 😁 Quickly followed by everybody else.
IMO they're going to get steamrollered by SF at the next election no matter what happens. Their best bet is to hang in there as long as they can and implement as much of their agenda as possible.
Governments have fallen for less. This may be a core issue for the Greens and their obsession with culling the national herd suggests that they don't care about rural Ireland and agriculture. Martin's noises about an SF/FF coalition might highlight some of the FFG fears over this. There's also the whole fuel crisis thing which is about to happen over the Autumn.Virtue signalling for the intellectually challenged who thought that Greta Thunberg was some kind of expert might play well but when people are freezing, things change.
Exactly stating putting FF in Govt would be like putting John Delaney back in charge of the FAI and then putting FF in Govt was a major flip flop at the time
If they can't get the targets deal met now what chance have they of getting other parts of their agenda met? FF and FG see the Greens as a very junior coalition partner and nothing more. FF & FG has throw a few bones at the Greens to keep them happy but this time the Greens want more than a few bones.
🤣🤣🤣 too funny
