I think the Poles have improved Ireland since they arrived years ago. We saw their work ethic, their sense of humour, their women etc and realised there was a bigger world out there. It definitely broadened my mind coming into contact with them. Unfortunately, they represent the pinnacle of immigration, and others have not been quite reaching that "gold standard" in my opinion. Still though, legal immigration is not a problem and never has been.
I mean I only go by what I read from people you are on the same side as. Not necessarily lads who post here but there was definitely some anti EE sentiment such as "they are ok, they are going back home!!". Yes I can find that post before people ask. Generally on twitter and the funny telegrams I have seen comments such as "If I went to Poland I wouldn't get...!!!", "There are too many Eastern Europeans taking up housing and facilities for the Irish!!!", "I can't get a GP appointment (oookay) or my kid in school (you are incel and have no kids) because of the Eastern Europeans!!!", "Look at the amount of Eastern Europeans in Irish prisons!!!!". So it's quite funny that an Eastern european comes along standing beside them and then sets the standards for other immigrants in Ireland. That was my point. Personally I love EEs. I've had several EE girlfriends and one of my best mates is Polish, a great addition to the country and long may it continue.
It's a funny one. because the people who tend to defend the idea of foreign cultures being established here, are also the ones who would say that western values/norms should be freely acted out in other countries, regardless of that country's own norms.
But then, those who defend such establishment of cultures only focus on their perceived positives, and never seem to consider the negatives or the points of conflict. If those negatives or conflict arise, in western nations it's the fault of western native groups, whereas abroad, it's the fault of the foreign culture for not embracing western values.
So, basically, if you're abroad, then western culture is awesome, but if you're in the west, then foreign culture is better. Amusing.
Hopefully they go easy on the protesters. Mind the women and children.
Oops forgot there is hardly any.
The lads down in Harry's in Kinnegad are out protesting now, apparently they are being sent up to sleep in tents in Gormanstown and replaced with Ukrainians, people that are actually fleeing war.
Worse than that the practice or worshiping of any other religion is illegal.
Must be killing themselves watching us building mosques.
And during their religious festivals be very careful where and when you eat as you could be imprisoned.
The list goes on but why waste my time on some.
If I go to live in Saudi Arabia, do you think I and my family should be free to walk around in shorts and t-shirts? Do you think my wife has some type of obligation to cover up her hair or body? I would tend to think that we DO have such an obligation. But I'm curious to hear your logic on this.
At least those countries got some economic benefits from their pillaging. We got none of the benefits, in fact we were colonised ourselves, finally got our independence, only to live in poverty for decades, then we finally became a wealthy enough country and we don't have time to enjoy it before the importation of the third world who will bring all sorts of trouble and strife.
I'm sorry if I spoke out of turn, I will try to be a better immigrant and keep my mouth shut. Or not :)
I'm fairly good at Irish though. Not sure why you didn't include that as one of those stupid requirements?
My list is not exhaustive (that means including or considering all elements or aspects; fully comprehensive)
The clown Mark Malone really hates anyone speaking up about migration as it's his grift here he goes after David Quinn in the Times. Malone is a nasty piece of work who shuts down all debate on the migration crisis.
Is there anyone posting here who honestly thinks that the services which we have in this country at the moment ie Hospital capacity, GP services, Housing, School capacity etc etc.Are good enough to with stand a massive increase in our population. Also does anyone also think that the massive influx of migrants we have already taken is not the reason that our services are on the brink of collapse and in some cases collapsed already.
The 2016 Census told us that 643,131 people had a disability in Ireland . That is approximately 13.5 % of the population. Yet look at Minister O’Gormans twitter, he’s also the minister for Disability, O’Gorman… you have to go back months for a cursory mention or reference to anything substantial on that side of his portfolio… April 28th and it’s pretty scant interest…and back to March and nothing…
‘Minister for Children, Equality, Disability, Integration, and Youth.’
plenty of espousing multiculturalism and meeting this person, that person. He might as well be the minister for multiculturalism, it’s a narrative that he is seriously active, pushing and perusing. ….. but people here whom he is tasked and paid to help, no interest…
imagine a portfolio, and on your Twitter account there is basically fûck all interest shown. You’d think he’d realise that the people here who elect him and pay his wages might appreciate and value him doing his job… for them / us.
Its complete emotional blackmail, we're supposed to have our heartstrings tugged on by someone who has booked a holiday that they may not be able to go on now because we've decided to change our rules and require people with refugee status in Europe to seek a Visa. I'm so sick of Ireland's kindness constantly being abused by people who want more and more and more, its never enough
The good ole' days, when western counties didn't take the whole weight of the worlds dysfunctional countries on their shoulders.
To be perfectly blunt, I don't care what goes on in other countries.
I really mean that. I'm sick and tired of the media platforming the ills of foreign countries, as if it's all 'our' fault. Even if they said it's not our fault.
It's all emotional blackmail, and I'm sick of it.
I don't care. And I'm not going to be told I should care.
The news always reports horrible things going on in the world. This is psychological blackmail, the idea that if everyone isn't well off or content, or generally OK, you shouldn't be either.
Well I am, so eff off.
Btw, being a Kate Bush nut when I was an angst teenager (stole my sisters Kate Bush tapes much to my brothers surprise because they were listening to Pink Floyd), I welcome her return, if only momentarily.
Let's get back to who we are instead of who other people are.
The British media seem to have finally noticed the nonsense Ireland is up to with regards to asylum. Micheal Martin comes off like a genuine idiot blaming the British Rwanda policy for the shambles of an asylum process we have. Hope now the Brits are noticing what a soft touch we are that they exert some political pressure on our shower of idiots to make us actually enforce our borders and stop being such a soft touch
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You're not sure but I'm sure.
The irony of an immigrant setting the standards is pretty funny.
I wouldn't know the all Ireland winners myself and never been to a GAA match and likely never will. I'm fairly good at Irish though. Not sure why you didn't include that as one of those stupid requirements? In my school there were a few second generation immigrant kids who also scored well at it. A girl whose parents came from Nigeria was best in the class in fact. Also, there are a few European countries where Islam is a high percentage religion. Bosnia, Albania and a few others. Not that I'm religious at all.
As an aside it was quite funny when some of the covid conspiracy idiots approached a TG4 reporter to blabber on about some tripe and she explained to them that it was an Irish channel and she could only put them on air if they had any Irish. The great nationalist white patriotic Celtic men of Ireland had to scarper away :)
Oh I know that much, that’s why I acknowledged that you gave a stab at least at offering your own ideas of what integrating into Irish society means by your own standards. Everyone can do that though, and they’re all going to have different standards by which they judge whether or not immigrants have successfully been integrated into Irish society.
It’s easy to pick examples of immigrants who have no interest in having anything to do with Irish people, but that doesn’t mean they haven’t integrated into Irish society, there are plenty of Irish people who don’t want to have anything to do with other Irish people too. It’s just not a good measurement of either the success or failure of integration, which is an ongoing process IMO, not something which can be measured in terms of success or failure.
Saudi Arabia has a legal restriction on the consumption of alcohol so I'm not sure your analogy holds up.
I'm not attempting to prohibit anything, I'm just passing judgments :)
Interesting article about Zimbabwe asylum seekers coming to Ireland
I know Kate Bush was back in the charts recently and Top Gun is back in the cinema, but "Frankie says Relax" Tees? Have we fallen back into the 1980's? 😮😁
I draw the line when some suggested we started saying happy holidays instead of happy Christmas.
Your fashion description of Irish culture made the read worth while. A bit 80s though I thought.
the point is that not only the desert clothes are ugly and stupid to be worn here, they are also a statement, and for women they are a way to oppress them. In any case, Europeans don't wear their culture and religion, and this is something a lot of non European immigrants don't want to accept and adopt.
Yeah I hear that the odd time from a tiny number of feminists who seek to portray it that way, but I’m certain that’s not the intent, and certainly I don’t get that impression from any of the women I’ve spoken to that they are being oppressed. As for your idea that Europeans don’t wear their culture and religion, they most certainly do. A crucifix for example isn’t going to be as visible as the hijab, but just like I don’t object to my work colleague who wears the hijab, she doesn’t object to me wearing a crucifix.
If anything could be construed as oppressive, it’s the attempt to prohibit anyone from wearing or displaying symbols or clothing which are a fundamental part of their religious identity -
https://wap.business-standard.com/article-amp/international/eu-court-allows-employers-to-ban-headscarfs-religious-symbols-at-workplace-121071501341_1.html
It means respecting the culture of the country to which one emigrated to.
In the same way if Irish people were en mass to settle in Saudi Arabia they shouldn't expect to have their culture accepted to the point they should be permitted to open Irish style pubs.
Rather the Irish people should meld into Saudi Arabian culture. And if they don't want to do that, fck off back to Ireland.
Even full immersion, language school and only communicating through English would still only see someone 75-85% proficient
@[Deleted User] I would expect them to be at 75% *before* coming here, but these are just my exaggerated standards, which of course also apply to myself.
I’d only be nit-picking were I to suggest that I don’t think abandoning desert clothes is necessary, it’s not nearly so jarring as the whole camel toe leggings
@One eyed Jack the point is that not only the desert clothes are ugly and stupid to be worn here, they are also a statement, and for women they are a way to oppress them. In any case, Europeans don't wear their culture and religion, and this is something a lot of non European immigrants don't want to accept and adopt.
To clarify, the Brexit /Trump reference was to illustrate terms that have been used a lot but mean both nothing to anyone but also everything to others i.e. Deliberately vague and non-specific.
Not sure why mentioning the Irish language or the dominant religion irked you.
What is integration, and how do we measure the success of it?
Exactly.
Speaking the language fluently after 1 year is not realistic. Even full immersion, language school and only communicating through English would still only see someone 75-85% proficient. Fluency takes years
Desert clothes 🤦♂️
All Ireland winners, couldn't tell you that myself
They weren’t connected to Trumps ideology or Brexit though, what was connected to Trumps ideology and Brexit was the fact that “integration” without an explanation of what the person using it means by that, amounts to useless sloganeering.
FWIW btw, your criteria are pretty much aligned with a minority of Irish people who certainly are not representative of Irish culture and society, particularly the idea of being offended by ostentatious displays of religiosity in Irish schools.
You could go on, but you’re not listing criteria you regard as being intrinsic to Irish society and culture, rather you appear to be listing all the things you associate with other cultures, which, if some Irish people are to be believed, are endemic within Irish culture and society.
At least @Cordell gave a good stab at criteria which indicates an attempt to integrate into Irish society. I’d only be nit-picking were I to suggest that I don’t think abandoning desert clothes is necessary, it’s not nearly so jarring as the whole camel toe leggings and ugg boots look on women, or skinny jeans, Frankie says Relax sized tee-shirts and slim-fit suits that appear to be popular with a certain cohort of young Irish men 😖
To be fair, as far as defending your politic is concerned, this was poor.
Ahh well, linking Trump/Brexit is a way of attempting to discredit others... common enough on boards these days. Not terribly surprised at the posters who engage these kind of tactics.
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