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Never underestimate a politician's greed for a ministerial salary and pension? FF would probably have gone into government with SF is SF had not won so many seats. The popular vote and SF's gain in seats scared both FF and FG. They didn't even have Labour to make up the numbers this time and were forced to do a deal with the Greens. The problem for FF and FG is that some of the Greens are fanatics and are willing to destroy Ireland's agriculture industry. The electorate is beginning to think of FF and FG as a single party. That's one of the most damaging things for FF/FG as it will have FF and FG competing for the same vote at the next GE.
Regards...jmcc
I think it's a case of FG and FF knowing they need each other to cling to power tbh. They'll put up with anything to do that.
FF should never have made that Confidence and Supply deal with FG. Martin seems to have a small group of FFer around him who are probably very comfortable working with FG. The problem for Martin is that the FF backbenchers realise that they are in FF rather than FG. A real FF leader would have used Charlie Flanagan's Black and Tans/RIC commemoration issue to grind FG into the dirt at the last GE. The problem for FF was and is that it is being led by a wannabe FGer. Martin basically created the conditions for SF beat FG into third place and come within a seat of FF in the GE. If it wasn't for Covid, Martin and Varadkar would have been dumped by their parties.
You are the one with the problem. You are the one using bad policy housing as a 'get out' for near a decade of government crony deals. I'd only be contacting opposition to thank them for blocking not fit for purpose bad deals.
They are slowing the government making it worse.
The Greens may be sacrificed on the alter of political climate change. FF/FG don't care if Green TDs are reelected. They may not want to make enemies of rural voters for the sake of some business class flying pontificators.
I don't mind Michael Martin personally, I think at the back of it all he's a decent human being etc. But he's tarnished the FF brand probably for good.
It's almost a cliche at this stage to say it, but he was so desperate to not be the only FF leader who wasn't Taoiseach that he sold the farm completely when he got into bed with the FG party, throwing away their "republicanism" in the process.
The Black and Tan commemoration reminded everyone in Ireland who/what FG truly are, and FF will now be guilty by association.
That's one of many stains that they'll struggle to remove.
The Greens will be delighted the farmers win this round too
They put private business above the wellbeing of the public and welfare is there so their friends have tenants. They created a sweet deal quango when we were beginning our generational debt.
No sign of a RedC poll on the Business Post front page. It does have a story about Martin possibly facing a heave.
https://twitter.com/businessposthq/status/1550933784287232004/photo/1
No I won't move on. It is valid to ask opposition supporters to contact their TD/party the same as I am contacting mine.
Just because you don't like it pointed out to you that the opposition would prefer to make the housing crisis worse is not really a concern for me.
Here is a list: https://thisinterestsme.com/irish-politicians-objections/
All parties involved.
So as I said contact your local TD/Party and ask them to stop blocking houses. Plenty of example of houses blocked for no good reasons
Oh i agree objections to housing is fine once the objection has merits. Just glad you agree the opposition objection to certain housing is ok
We can move on now from you saying contact the opposition any time housing is mentioned
Not sure why anyone would complain when the department of education is blocking because they can't give children education.
You do understand the department of education is not a political party??
From reading the article, it seems most parties agreed with the decisions
Maybe you can explain why the government, or anyone, should disregards the advice of a Department?
They're not right wing at all. They're left of center and populist.
A right wing party in this country would be against our open border policies, against expanding our welfare and current spending, and against pro tax cuts. That's not FG at all.
So some objections to housing are ok. SF and the opposition are objecting to housing for good reasons aswell.
Thanks for clarifying objections are OK though
Is that the best you could find?
So what’s the plan not educate the kids? 🤦♂️🤷♂️
Well when you look at their housing policies, tax payer funded rent is how the REITs make off of their investments. The 25 year leases and the public living in rentals they couldn't afford without state aid. That makes welfare and state subsidies necessary to keep the investment funds in the money, so FG/FF supporting welfare, the cash cow, makes sense. They are as right wing as is allowed in Ireland. Too right IMO. We need a government who puts the tax payer first and doesn't milk them.
They recently voted against sanctions on the monies of Putin and his oligarch lackies. Private enrichment and the public can go do something to themselves, thats pretty right.
Id start by getting Govt departments to stop objecting if we are going to end all objections
Yet houses in Dublin are selling and we have a shortage , with recent reports showing the majority are going to people and not companies etc
As I have said the biggest issue is supply. Maybe if parties would stop blocking houses in the Dublin area that might reduce the price as supply increases…..so are you onto your local TD and party you support to make sure they are not blocking houses?
The cost of living has increased in ireland, the minimum wage has increase and that is what happens in every developed country. You can’t decide then to just leave the unemployed to starve to death.
If you don’t want to increase social welfare then decrease the minimum wage.
unemployment is very low.
Look at the opposition would would prefer to ruin the MNC in ireland and end up with huge unemployment
I would prefer to look at the unemployment cheats and also the children allowance which is used as some as wages and not for their children.
Woke: “alert to injustice in society, especially racism”
So not sure you have the right word for what you describe as an issue. You are also talking about FG, one of 3 parties.
In regards immigration the Ukraine people coming in is an emergency. In regards to deliveroo drivers, if the jobs are not available then they won’t get hired. Fact is most Irish won’t work in these jobs anymore and prefer to sit on the dole. So saying you won’t have immigration for jobs like that will ground the country to a halt.
The immigration for welfare does happen, but we have a far bigger issue with Irish than foreign people. Yes we do have skilled workers coming in, but like my company they are targeted overseas and brought to ireland. But then the same can be said of low skilled workers like Keeling do, do you want to stop that and shut down keelings? Because after all the uproar the last time they still can’t get Irish to work for them…..
Just away from #aibgate, briefly.
interesting analysis re affordability for the average price of a 3 bed semi in Dublin, I actually believe the Price for such a property in Dublin is way higher but nonetheless interesting.
It was Robert Troy (FF) on Newstalk earlier blaming officials.
AIB cashless debacle raises 'concerns' over senior officials - Troy | Newstalk
A Minister of State says the first he heard about AIB going cashless at 70 branches was on the news.
Fianna Fáil TD Robert Troy was speaking amid reports that Government was told about the plan four days before it was announced.
He told Down to Business he was not privy to any such advance information.
"I certainly didn't know about it - the first I heard about it was when it was reported on the news.
"But it does raise concerns that senior officials knew about it and didn't think it was their place to inform their management, which is their ministers.
"That gives rise to, I suppose, a concern of how senior public service [sic] maybe carries out their duty if they don't feel that it is important to relay key information such as AIB - who we are the major shareholder in - taking a decision to... go cashless in 70 branches."
He says the situation was handled "appallingly bad and it showed no regard for their customers in terms of the lack of engagement or consultation".
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Those words may well come back to haunt him next week.
Where oh where oh where is Paschal...? ☺️
A, I see 😉
Id say the opposition are also pro welfare and we don't have a right wing party. We've got parties that are left of centre and far left.
Woke - likes of Varadkar, McEntee, Harris etc are very woke tbf. I've nothing against abortion, gay marriage etc but that's generally associated with right wing parties. FG are mainly in favour of socially liberal policies so just another example of them not being right wing.
For immigration, we don't have enough resources to go around the existing population so adding more people is just stupid. Open immigration is just a bad idea for this country. It should be skilled immigration only and not more Deliveroo drivers or people coming for welfare.
Every party that the Stickies infiltrated collapsed at the polls. These people weren't Labour. The problem was that Labour was filled with people who didn't realise that politics was changing and thought that the 2.5 party model would continue. (It is also why the SocDems should not even consider a merger or electoral pact with Labour.) FG might have to consider getting rid of Varadkar as he has lost seats for FG. The real resistance to an FF/FG merger will come from the backbenchers who may lose their seats in a single party.
I mean under their governance, welfare has expanded massively here. They might claim theyre the party for the people who get up in the morning but their actions say otherwise.
Pro Welfare? If you say the government is pro welfare what do you call the opposition
Woke? Maybe explain?
Pro immigration? Why are you against immigration?
Great post jmcc. I do love a trip down memory lane. Gilmore led Labour very badly after the 2011 GE. He did get his own EU job though.
I hope that FF and FG merge but I doubt it will happen now. Leo ensured the division.
Look at Labour's pro-immigration stance in economic terms. It creates a supply of people for low-paying jobs and ensures that there is more competition for these jobs. It also allows Labour to virtue signal. One of the mainstays of Left political thought has been the negative effect of immigration on competition for jobs and resources. FF/FG's wokeness is merely looking votes. They'll support anything that will get them elected.
I would have thought FG are not pro Welfare at all , you can almost see Leo , Getting Queasy at even mentioning SW 🤔
