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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    I was going to say you don’t get it. But of course you get it. You are just playing silly games.

    To suggest that phot is ok!

    it would be like me coming on here if the ni team had just endorsed Micheal stone and suggest they were open to all and non sectarian. It is just incredible that some southerners on here are taken in by this nonsense



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,347 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Are you willing to take down all memorials that people find offensive?

    Simple question.

    My answer to it is NO. I have never complained about a memorial to fallen British army members, RUC, UDR UVF Unionists, Loyalists etc.

    My belief is we have to find a way to allow people to remember respectfully. And that memorial is no more disrespectful than a gravestone is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,017 ✭✭✭✭end of the road



    there is no glorifying of terrorists there.

    the GAA don't glorify terrorists, fascists or similar.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    It absolutely does - as well as fascists and propagandists for slavery - and there's a terrible denial within the GAA about this.

    I say this as a GAA member and lifelong supporter of the games who attended Sunday's hurling final.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,017 ✭✭✭✭end of the road



    it absolutely doesn't and there is no denial since there is nothing to deny.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    So just to be clear, You feel it would be fine for ulster rugby fans and players to sing a song about Michael stone on platform with trophy in hand and then tell everyone that they are open to all communities??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,347 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Any chance dowcow? Or are you going to run again?

    Are you willing to take down all memorials that people find offensive?

    Simple question.

    My answer to it is NO. I have never complained about a memorial to fallen British army members, RUC, UDR UVF Unionists, Loyalists etc.

    My belief is we have to find a way to allow people to remember respectfully. And that memorial is no more disrespectful than a gravestone is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    One man's memorial is another man's celebration. The false statement was made that the GAA does not glorify terrorists. I was merely correcting the record to demonstrate that on occasion the GAA have glorified terrorists. That particular celebration was victim-taunting and nauseating and the GAA nationally have been forced to step in as a result.

    Nowhere in my post did I suggest tearing down any memorial, which is just another example of you creating strawman arguments and goalpost moving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,347 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The GAA doesn't, members of the GAA occaisionally do.

    You have said, 'one man's memorial is another man's celebration'.

    So the question remains, what is the way forward here; Ban all memorials/songs etc or find a way that it can be done with respect?

    You also haven't said which option you favour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    You told me yesterday that I didn't know when I was being trolled. Let's just look at what has just happened

    (1) Poster makes a statement that the GAA does not glorify terrorists.

    (2) I produce evidence to show that statement is false.

    (3) I do not make any other argument.

    (4) Discussion would normally be at an end.

    (5) Francie sets up a number of strawman arguments about things that I didn't post.

    I am leaving it there, not responding any further.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭Scoundrel


    The GAA was founded by what some of ye lickspittles would consider terrorists 3 of the 7 founders of the GAA were IRB members at the time when that organisation was bombing London.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,347 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    😁😁

    Blanch the 'GAA' does not glorify terrorists, members occaisionally do. You just cannot handle debates moving on from your cheap shots at the Irish.

    You don't want to go near finding a way for all on this divided island to remember and commemorate with respect. You thrive on the division. I get that now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,347 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    The GAA glorifies Kevin Lynch, Sean South, John Mitchel etc. These were all scumbag terrorists and/or propagandists for racism and far right ideas.

    Facts don't care about your feelings.

    Anybody familiar with the GAA scene knows Kilcoo who are the current All-Ireland club champions are lavishly funded by dirty IRA money from the Northern Bank robbery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,347 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Commemoration is either wrong for all OR we find a way all can do it with respect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    That's a ludicrous notion and so crudely reductionist one wonders is it a wind up.

    Sure it holds that Nazis should be commemorated equally with the victims of the Holocaust.

    It holds that the GAA should commemorate the Bloody Sunday murderers equally with the victims.

    I don't think many others would agree with you on that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,347 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    So what is your solution? Given that these things are going to happen and for every offensive one to one community here you can find two on the other side.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    Well whatever the "solution" is I think the GAA refraining from celebrating terrorists and far right scumbags as it currently does is part of it.

    Neither is this a demand from "the other side". I'm steeped in the GAA and I'm sick of it and there are plenty of good people within the GAA who think similarly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,347 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Well you are de facto calling for a total ban across all communities.

    That won't achieve much IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    You'v put words in my mouth there, I said no such thing. I would prefer that people would have the good sense to be sensible and not celebrate things manifestly unworthy of celebration.

    Like, when Cork supporters used to fly the confederate flag - a flag that celebrated slavery and systematic racism - there were similar pretend offended cries from defenders of doing that to what you have now when people explain why Sean South shouldn't be sung.

    Should the IRA murderers of Ronan Kerr be celebrated too because Casement Park is called Casement Park? What about the people who blew Peadar Heffron's legs off? Should they be celebrated?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,347 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    BUT you want people to conform to your view of the world.

    That is not going to work either, because history is contested here. It is a symptom of a divided society.

    Can you see that? Subjectively objecting isn't even the begining of a solution, it is, in fact increasing and amplifying the division.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    tbh the only person who appears to be on a wind up here is your good self. Anyway, now that you're back are you going to have a crack at backing up the last set of allegations that you threw around before running away?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,017 ✭✭✭✭end of the road



    the statement was not false, you corrected and demonstrated nothing.

    the GAA does not glorify or celebrate terrorists, fascists or all else, just GAA players on their victories.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,017 ✭✭✭✭end of the road



    the GAA does not glorify those individuals, who were soldiers fighting for their country against an oppressive and brutal, genocidal regime who wanted to ethnically cleanse all catholic nationalists from their part of the country.

    kilcou is not funded by any criminally obtained money, as that would be against GAA rules, and the GAA as far as i am aware have stringent processes and rules in place to prevent such from happening.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    It isn't contested - except by people who deny history - that Sean South was a fascist.

    Your view of the world is that fascism and oppression - and celebration of that - is just fine.

    That's carte blanche for an Orange march on any road in any Catholic area of NI, and every bonfire festooned with "KAT".

    It's a worldview that believes in precisely nothing except the right of the oppressor to oppress.

    This is the paradox of the party you profess to support. You claim to be against all that, while actually being in favour of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    You have continually denied that Sean South was a fascist. It's a documented fact that he was.

    You're in la la land.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy



    "That would be against GAA rules". 😄😄😄

    You're not the least bit familiar with the GAA, are you?

    Sean South himself would have only loved to engage in a bit of genocide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,347 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    No, my view of the world is pragmatic.

    Neither of your solutions has any hope of working in the real world which, like it or not, is divided here on this island.

    I couldn’t care less who commemorates who as long as it isn’t taunting deliberately or disrespectful.

    We have to confront this issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    Giving wanton hatred a free ride as you propose is the opposite of pragmatic. It's basically the Homer Simpson attitude of "if something is hard, it's not worth doing".

    Were we to take your attitude, civil rights in NI would never have been achieved, the RUC would still exist, the Catholic Church would still rule the roost in this country, homosexuality would still be criminalised never mind same sex marriage being legal, and women who travelled to Britain for abortions would still be criminalised. Open racism would be tolerated in public life. All that stuff used to happen, and would still happen only for people who decided to stand up and oppose the prevailing attitudes.

    Giving wanton hatred and the celebration of wanton hatred a free ride on the basis of "pragmatism" is never pragmatic, it only leads to more wanton hatred.

    The Sean South song is a celebration of somebody who stood for hatred and "values" all decent people should oppose.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Francie contests the history of his own posts on here, so no wonder he contests the history of everything else.



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