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GAA need to step up

downcow

I opened a thread recently asking is the GAA in the north sectarian, following an couple of county teams chanting support for the IRA. It was closed after a short time, but I will risk raising this issue again.

here is a photo taken this month inside the grounds of a GAA club. A parade by the republican group who killed Lyra NcKee. The GAA said in advance that it would not happen. So what is going on?

we have a few Protestant individuals in the north taking a big step and starting to play GAA sports. Is it not time the GAA had the balls to move on from this sectarian stuff

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lawred2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118070928#Comment_118070928

Not enough. They should have mobilised a battalion to stand strong at their gates. Maybe some under 12s with hurls.

lawred2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118070236#Comment_118070236

What a load of utter shoite!! Keyboard warrior shoite.

asdfg87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058212992/gaa-need-to-step-up

The problem the gaa always had is they can think back 100 years but they administrators cannot think forward 10 years when it comes to the games.

If it wasn't for the business of concerts, hotels and Government funding the gaa not viable as a sporting organization.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119375470#Comment_119375470

Kudos for cleaning up NI football, it was sectarian from the top down. Everyone remembers that night in Winsdor Park with Jack Charlton, even if you have airbrushed the viciousness of it from your memory.

The GAA is not sectarian in any way organisationally, and is an open and inclusive organisationa which has people of all sorts as members, including those who believe Sean South was a patriot and those who think Sean South is a good old tune.

It would be good now if the same thing could be done with the 11th night viciousness and sectarianism as was done for the public face of NI football

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119375264#Comment_119375264

You believe he was a facist, others, as you see here believe he fought for our freedom.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of that, that is the inherent problem.

If you stop people singing about Sean South, do you stop people playing songs on the 12th? Do you respond to objections about pictures of Michael Collins and the Head of the Crown Forces, the queen/king of Britain? Do you pull down all offensive statues?

Where does it stop and how practical is it?

It isn't going to happen would be my opinion.

downcow

Just got reading the last few days posts now. A healthy debate to have, well done guys. We had to do this 30 years ago in ni football scene. It was difficult but look where it has brought us. Best of luck transforming GAA. It is possible. The same vile sectarianism was evident in the fans of ni way back then. We didn’t have quite as big a hill to climb as you guys in the GAA as we didn’t have eg players singing sectarian songs, grounds named after Uvf killers or our clubhouses used for pro-uda concerts singing about Michael stone.

it does look overwhelming but there has been some begining work done across the GAA in linking with other sports and in isolated cases of trying to open to unionists eg east Belfast.

some on here are only concerned with justifying the unjustifiable - we had them also in ni football, and they will shout the loudest. We still have a very tiny rump of them.

I would advise to focus on your own organisation and forget about the whataboutery. Some great posts on here. Very honest and very positive.

I continue to focus on making things even better for ni team setup eg removing gstq. You have many more important things to challenge eg Sean South songs before you worry about the soldiers song. In the 1980s I wasn’t focused on getting a shared anthem - we were too busy trying to deal with the same issues as you are now eg large numbers of fans singing ‘would you go a chicken supper ….’

so fair play to those on here who love the GAA and want change.

Irelandsnumberone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119375264#Comment_119375264

Using the Irish football team (a team whos fans sing Irish rebel songs at away games especially and the team are also known to play them on the team bus etc) as an example isn't a very good one

Snooker Loopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119373556#Comment_119373556

Educating people that Sean South was a fascist and is unworthy of celebration would be a good start anyway.

Like, do you think the Cork supporters should have continued to fly the confederate flag with not a word said about it? Why should others shut up when a disgusting symbol of race hatred is flown by idiots?

Why should the name of chattel slavery propagandist John Mitchel remain attached to several GAA clubs across the island? Ireland is a multicultural country. If the GAA doesn't start grappling with these issues, don't be surprised if non-white people largely reject the GAA.

The Ireland soccer team is becomingly increasing populated by non-white players who grew up in this country, which is great to see. Questions will soon start being asked if the GAA doesn't follow close behind in terms of the diversity of top players.

Snooker Loopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119373604#Comment_119373604

Kkkulture.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119374746#Comment_119374746

Cheers for that.

I see no practical way forward here only an acceptance that people be allowed to remember with respect.

And the same goes with commemoration and celebration.

Work away, but don’t target other communities with it.

That goes for all, republican, loyalist, Unionist, Nationalist, FGer, FFer, DUPer SFer etc.

The parades Commission in fairness is proof that it can be done, the 12th day itself more and more peaceful. QED

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119373435#Comment_119373435

I find myself in the unusual position of a/ seeing Francie as the voice of reason and b/ being in agreement with him

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119373518#Comment_119373518

the song is a celebration of irishness, a patriot and culture song.

integral to the very being of this country and it's rebellious fighting nature.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119373336#Comment_119373336

i am familiar enough with it to know your claims are incorrect and nonsense.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119373518#Comment_119373518

So again, outline how you want to do this?

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119373309#Comment_119373309

Francie contests the history of his own posts on here, so no wonder he contests the history of everything else.

Snooker Loopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119373435#Comment_119373435

Giving wanton hatred a free ride as you propose is the opposite of pragmatic. It's basically the Homer Simpson attitude of "if something is hard, it's not worth doing".

Were we to take your attitude, civil rights in NI would never have been achieved, the RUC would still exist, the Catholic Church would still rule the roost in this country, homosexuality would still be criminalised never mind same sex marriage being legal, and women who travelled to Britain for abortions would still be criminalised. Open racism would be tolerated in public life. All that stuff used to happen, and would still happen only for people who decided to stand up and oppose the prevailing attitudes.

Giving wanton hatred and the celebration of wanton hatred a free ride on the basis of "pragmatism" is never pragmatic, it only leads to more wanton hatred.

The Sean South song is a celebration of somebody who stood for hatred and "values" all decent people should oppose.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119373309#Comment_119373309

No, my view of the world is pragmatic.

Neither of your solutions has any hope of working in the real world which, like it or not, is divided here on this island.

I couldn’t care less who commemorates who as long as it isn’t taunting deliberately or disrespectful.

We have to confront this issue.

Snooker Loopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119373171#Comment_119373171

"That would be against GAA rules". 😄😄😄

You're not the least bit familiar with the GAA, are you?

Sean South himself would have only loved to engage in a bit of genocide.

Snooker Loopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119373121#Comment_119373121

You have continually denied that Sean South was a fascist. It's a documented fact that he was.

You're in la la land.

Snooker Loopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119372757#Comment_119372757

It isn't contested - except by people who deny history - that Sean South was a fascist.

Your view of the world is that fascism and oppression - and celebration of that - is just fine.

That's carte blanche for an Orange march on any road in any Catholic area of NI, and every bonfire festooned with "KAT".

It's a worldview that believes in precisely nothing except the right of the oppressor to oppress.

This is the paradox of the party you profess to support. You claim to be against all that, while actually being in favour of it.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119372328#Comment_119372328

the GAA does not glorify those individuals, who were soldiers fighting for their country against an oppressive and brutal, genocidal regime who wanted to ethnically cleanse all catholic nationalists from their part of the country.

kilcou is not funded by any criminally obtained money, as that would be against GAA rules, and the GAA as far as i am aware have stringent processes and rules in place to prevent such from happening.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119371408#Comment_119371408

the statement was not false, you corrected and demonstrated nothing.

the GAA does not glorify or celebrate terrorists, fascists or all else, just GAA players on their victories.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119372481#Comment_119372481

tbh the only person who appears to be on a wind up here is your good self. Anyway, now that you're back are you going to have a crack at backing up the last set of allegations that you threw around before running away?

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119372699#Comment_119372699

BUT you want people to conform to your view of the world.

That is not going to work either, because history is contested here. It is a symptom of a divided society.

Can you see that? Subjectively objecting isn't even the begining of a solution, it is, in fact increasing and amplifying the division.

Snooker Loopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119372625#Comment_119372625

You'v put words in my mouth there, I said no such thing. I would prefer that people would have the good sense to be sensible and not celebrate things manifestly unworthy of celebration.

Like, when Cork supporters used to fly the confederate flag - a flag that celebrated slavery and systematic racism - there were similar pretend offended cries from defenders of doing that to what you have now when people explain why Sean South shouldn't be sung.

Should the IRA murderers of Ronan Kerr be celebrated too because Casement Park is called Casement Park? What about the people who blew Peadar Heffron's legs off? Should they be celebrated?

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119372591#Comment_119372591

Well you are de facto calling for a total ban across all communities.

That won't achieve much IMO.

Snooker Loopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119372512#Comment_119372512

Well whatever the "solution" is I think the GAA refraining from celebrating terrorists and far right scumbags as it currently does is part of it.

Neither is this a demand from "the other side". I'm steeped in the GAA and I'm sick of it and there are plenty of good people within the GAA who think similarly.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119372481#Comment_119372481

So what is your solution? Given that these things are going to happen and for every offensive one to one community here you can find two on the other side.

Snooker Loopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119372415#Comment_119372415

That's a ludicrous notion and so crudely reductionist one wonders is it a wind up.

Sure it holds that Nazis should be commemorated equally with the victims of the Holocaust.

It holds that the GAA should commemorate the Bloody Sunday murderers equally with the victims.

I don't think many others would agree with you on that.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119372328#Comment_119372328

Commemoration is either wrong for all OR we find a way all can do it with respect.