If being an unaligned country with a large army is no deterrent to Putin's ambitions is it time for ROI to join Nato?
Donald Tusk is in NATO? Who knew?
'Western Allies' Mark...Western allies who are members of NATO.
Once again I back up a claim, you greet it with invective and a meme.
I think Francie is more like the Aidan O'Shea of boards. Fancies himself as a big player, has a tendency to be part of many losing causes, fails gloriously, and has never won a medal/argument in his life.
What's that saying by Lincoln again?
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.
Coalition partners and Western allies urge chancellor to step up.
Are parties in government also NATO?
I can see the edge of the world when I stand on the Aran Islands, that is a fact that backs up my suspicion that the world is flat.
As @markodaly has said, you have been exposed as a low-knowledge, anti-everything, knee-jerk conspiracy crank and Putinversteher. Nobody really needs to add anything to that but I am sure you will desperately shout anyway.
They were not going to do it and I posted a link to a German minister explaining why.
Yes, they have responded to the pressure brought to bear on them by Ukraine and other countries in NATO.
Western allies and members of Scholz’s governing coalition have become increasingly blunt in publicly criticizing the Social Democratic chancellor and urging him to send tanks, artillery and other matériel to Ukrainian forces.
Pressure grows on Germany’s Scholz to send heavy weapons to Ukraine – POLITICO
I have backed up the facts my suspicions are based on.
Out comes the invective again. Ah well, as I said.
Yes, they have broken their own rules/code under pressure from other NATO countries and NATO itself.
Ah OK. NATO made them do it. Not that fact that the Russians have invaded a sovereign nation in the east in an attempt to enslave them and rebuild their imperial empire.
Nah, that had NOTHING to do with it at all.
A true Putinversteher you are.
No, just pointing out that you have been exposed as a low-knowledge, anti-everything, knew-jerk conspiracy crank and Putinversteher. Thats good enough for me.
Do I want that for Ireland = No.
You never answered, do you want an alliance with countries that would break their own rules and international ones, to supply arms to conflict zones they explicitly shouldn't be?
Yay or nay?
Reduced to memes now.
Clear you are tacitly running away now like others. Ah well. 😁
So they do send arms to conflict zones? So you are retracting your earlier statement..
Good to know.
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Yes, I know this. But it is counter to German policy up to this point, see link provided earlier.
I have grounds to be suspicious. That's all I ever said.
Germany seem to have a policy of not supplying arms into conflict zones.
More nonsense.
Your are just confirming yourself to be a low-knowledge poster who doesn't know what they are talking about.
Yet, it's not factual.
Just because you think 2+2=432343 doesn't make it so. You admitted yourself that you have no proof or evidence or any factual basis to make your wild outlandish claim, apart from your 'suspiciosn'.
Therefore you are peddling a conspiracy theory.
Their selling of arms has nothing to do with whether or not they are in NATO or whether or not NATO exists though.
And we are already intimately involved with the UK.
At least you didn't run away like some.
It isn't 'tinfoil hat stuff'. It is a suspicion based on the undeniable fact that A)
Arms company and military influence over government warps government priorities, leading to the promotion of corporate interests over policies that would protect the security of people in the UK and elsewhere.
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B) If members of NATO refused to sell arms to the Saudis that conflict with the Yemen would probably not be possible.So they are 'keeping conflict going' in effect.
Germany seem to have a policy of not supplying arms into conflict zones. Not so with the UK who will break their own rules and international rules to do it to keep their arms industry in production and therefore conflict.
Now, are you willing to get Ireland involved with a country that will play fast and loose with the law (FACT)?
I sense this is satire.... :D
Right back at you.
A) You seem to be OK with that country having a veto over Irish Defence Policy.
b) You seem to be OK with that country using its air force to protect our airspace. You don't want us to fund our own air defence either.
More tinfoil hat stuff. Your article doesn't mention NATO by the way. Just because there is an arms industry doesn't mean that there is some backroom deals with these nation states wanting to create war for the sake of it, which is your position by the way.
Are you going to come out with something cute like "Follow the money". We heard that line a lot with the anti-vaxxers over the past few years. Thats the company you keep.
Between Ireland and the UK ? You qouted the MoU so I'm guessing you have understanding of what the intent of it is?
Or maybe they d answer the bat phone and help who knows but the fact remains defensive co-operation is what the gov is aiming for? But seeing as your so sure of what happens in future fictional scenario's do me a favor and consult your crystal ball there for next week's lotto numbers while your at it
Things can and do change and they can change when needed fairly rapidly you only have to look at what happened during covid... alot of what was done supposedly couldn't be done cause it was written on a peice of paper but that didn't stop the gov from doing what they liked did it.
Yes the views are abhorrent. Did anyone say otherwise ?
Saudi Arabia most stable? It’s literally the most backward and stone age in its views in the region.
No. But the most stable regional power there it's the best of a S*it show. I would be happy if those in the region went at it and crippled each other.
So you are ok with one of the powers in NATO supplying arms to the Saudis to bomb the **** out of Yemen? You can keep up the pretense that 'we're all the good guys'?
If the UK are playing fast and lose, you can be sure others in NATO are...follow the money.
That can all be done side by side ,we have an aircorp where pilots share flying time on the few aircraft we actually own ,we should be instead Is heavily investing in drone technology , especially something along the MQ9 reaper lines , which can be purchased or leased they have a 20+ hour loiter time in the air -we could assign 4 to the Garda so they could have near 24 hour aerial surveillance capability, better return than helicopters which are only available when maintenance and weather permitting,you could revolutionise rural policing along with city policing,
The same type drones could be used to patrol waters and provide Naval and coast guard the ability to track and monitor suspicious vessels in our waters from illegal fishing to drug smuggling,
We need advanced radar too , again we could have the ability to provide security wether it be civilian or militarily ,
We keep letting to many people having a say when it comes to security in this country , currently the whole of Europe is now spending money to increase military and cyber defense,
Mean while we can't even give the lads and girls who we expect to defend the country the right tools to do the job ,
No rabbithole, that is just a conveinient dodge of the question.
Would you be in favour of going into an alliance with a government who are riding ripshod over their own rules, never mind international rules and doing what they are doing with the Saudis?
Yes or no?
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