The Schengen countries announced a few weeks ago that they're bringing in a system similar to the American ESTA https://www.forbes.com/sites/andyjsemotiuk/2022/06/30/a-new-rule-is-coming-for-americans-travelling-to-europe/
And the UK has just announced that they're bringing in one too in a few years https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11033851/Brits-able-breeze-border-controls-contactless-corridor-plans.html
I would hope that Ireland opts in to one of these systems to help stop people just rocking up and tossing their documents
Travellers boarding without British or Irish passports will be told to apply for an ETA or e-visa from next year, The Times reports.
I don't think hope is good enough at this stage. With the CTA, Ireland will remain the weakest link in the British border, with Ireland throwing its passport around like confetti, Britain's plans are only as strong as the weakest link in the chain.
Kind of hope the UK exerts some influence and makes our crowd actually take the border seriously. They always seem to need to have someone else to blame rather than actually being proactive or practical
It is interesting what is unfolding in Italy. Giorgia Meloni and Mattio Salvini look like they are about to coalesce with Berlusconi, in what looks to be a bit of a dream team government for border control, national sovereignty and Euroscepticism.
This would be a fantastic development for Europe, and a sign that Italy is facing up to reality.
"The Brothers of Italy has long been allied with the centre-right Forza Italia of ex-premier Silvio Berlusconi and the League of Matteo Salvini, suggesting that a centre-right alliance would likely prevail in any election and propel Brothers’ leader Giorgia Meloni to become Italy’s first female premier."
Italy’s Mario Draghi resigns after government implodes - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk
Sure they can just replace the billions the UK paid in each year with Serbia, Albania and North Macedonia. That'll cover the gap!
The EU has become a cheap labour Ponzi scheme at this point.
I am sure it will that is wonderful news .
Who is going to enforce All this. Serious question but do we even have something like border control officers or people checking businesses for illegal immigrants.
Yes, stats have been posted previously in the thread but good luck finding them with the search functionality on the new site.
Border control is where most (by a long way) get turned back
So your saying some don't get passed the airport and are deported straight away.
Even the ones who claim asylum.????
To be honest I don't recall the exact details from what was posted (there's a LOT posted in this thread) but I would guess asylum applications get treated differently.
That's the point I'm trying to make.
Word of mouth has undoubtedly spread that claiming asylum gets you in and if your unlucky with your application you can appeal an appeal again and again until finally you get to stay.
That's what been happening for a long time now. Especially with OGorman promising everyone accommodation.
Good old Roderik, tweets in multiple languages asking people to come claim welfare, you'll be grand.
Couldn't be bothered with simple communications regarding early childcare throughout the pandemic.
A clown. Sometimes it's hard to believe that our political class is this short sighted. Thankfully I have an email from our Minister of Housing telling me O Gorman own door accommodation would have no impact on existing housing.....
One of many clowns in a big circus that's destroying my country.
Indeed. Prospective asylum claimants refused entry to the State or “leave to land” are absolutely treated differently from non-asylum claimants. If at any time in the process a person refused entry claims asylum or indicates that they require international protection, they will be admitted to the international protection process - they will be included in relevant refused entry statistics, however they will enter the international protection process. Would you be interested in the percentages of those recently refused entry that have subsequently claimed asylum? Would you venture to guess? In the first two weeks of June - the freshest figures - 95% of those refused entry to the State subsequently claimed asylum and entered the international protection process.
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2022-06-14/1345/?highlight%5B0%5D=leave&highlight%5B1%5D=land&highlight%5B2%5D=leave&highlight%5B3%5D=land&highlight%5B4%5D=leave&highlight%5B5%5D=land&highlight%5B6%5D=leave&highlight%5B7%5D=land&highlight%5B8%5D=asylum
Edit: Apologies, I misremembered this as being for the first two weeks of June, it was from the first week of June only - doubtlessly an anomaly... The percentage remains accurate, it is from Oireachtas records - a question to the Minsiter for Justice, Minister McEntee, from Deputy Catherine Murphy of the Social Democrats.
In the first two weeks of June - the freshest figures - 95% of those refused entry to the State subsequently claimed asylum and entered the international protection process.
I'm guessing you made up that number like you made up your others, but maybe you'll prove me wrong and post a legit source
To be honest, I don’t recall the exact details…
Colour me shocked
I thought it would of been 100%.
Surely word must be out what a soft touch of a country we are.
Am I wrong or does this sound more long term than the Gormanstown camp that seems to be exclusively for Ukranians?
A relative of mine tried to phone their GP yesterday and answer machine said that the practice had taken it's limits of calls for that day.
The local hospital 50 miles away has stated it is full to capacity with some waiting times in A&E exceeding 12 hours.
Affordable Housing in my area for young local couples is non existent unless you're on benefits and the local hotel is full of refugees, leaving any spare accommodation used for air b&b or holiday homes for most of the year.
Our mains water supply is switched off now at 11pm till 6am to help with the demand on water. We have been told our water supply is very low. This in which is by no means a dry summer.
I could go on but what is the point.
But does anyone think that this sounds like a functional country that should be trying to increase its population drastically.
I laughed aloud at the email part.
Were you also assured that you could jump in the sea without getting wet and drink heavily without getting drunk?
Official Ireland protects the plantation at all costs: the cost often includes the truth, common sense and the dignity of its own agents.
Imagine reguritating absurd lies as part of your job? It must be soul crushing.
If they are insulated ( and they seem to be ) and have provision for heating,,,that could indicate long term usage.
Does anyone live in Dublin West? I'm curious what people think of Roderick O'Gorman in the locality
Did they elect him?
Watched a documentary recently on YouTube about criminal gangs in Sweden. It was scarcely believable that a prosperous country could be damaged by a few clowns of politicians. I've a feeling paddy is doing the exact same with the Helen mcentees+ Roderick's of this country.
Believe it or not we may still be in the honeymoon period with our new neighbours.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WjZrY44T0rI
Honeymoon period is correct.
The backlash from this open door policy has not even started yet. And when it does that's when the penny will drop what a mess we have made of our island.
To late then I'm afraid.
It's already too late. The population we currently have, with the children they will have over their lifetimes, with the complete lack of any initiative beyond "integration" (still waiting on a practical definition, or a way to measure that it exists), means that we're beyond the point of no return. We'll start getting hit by the 2nd/3rd generations of immigrant families soon.. it's already started somewhat in Dublin, but it'll increase as populations continue to rise.
So, yeah, it's already too late because there is no plan to assimilate foreign groups here, and even if our government decided to backpedal to produce such a plan, it would take them years to implement it.
Do they ‘want’ to integrate and assimilate . ? What plan can we enforce on people to assimilate ?
In that respect the majority of effort needs to be on their behalf…
As much as it pains me to say it your totally right.
My post was probably wishful thinking that something might change.
Is this not the whole problem. The making changes for integration only comes from one side.
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