Following on from
this thread
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'Personally you don't think' they have the competence to sort this.
Thanks for that, why you continue to defend them defeats me.
You don't have the time, yet you are on here defending a party you have never voted for.
You clearly posted the paid “no tax”. If you are going to listen to the opposition it’s also good to fact check 👍
The double standards list back fired on the poster because as usual they try to hide some people while trying to point at other. The actual list is long and extensive so if they have the time why wouldn’t they just post all that, it seems like they have the time
Personally I dont.
Like any topic on this thread it’s just the usual waffle and falls to pieces very quickly. Like jumping over the 50k TD meant from the very first post the whole argument was gone 👍🤦♂️🤷♂️
Yes as in no corporation tax which I clarified earlier.
No you said they paid “no tax”
Nonsense.
Just as this was nonsense in Enda Kenny's manifesto
• Change must start at the top: The political system cannot ask others to change and make sacrifices if it is not prepared to do the same. Fine Gael will cut the size of the Oireachtas by one-third by abolishing the Seanad, if the public approve in constitutional referendum, and cutting the number of TDs by 20. In addition ministers’ salaries will be reduced, political expenses fully vouched for and severance payments for ministers axed. No political pensions will be paid to sitting TDs and no retired politician will get a political pension until the national retirement age. Politics must be about service to the public, not financial gain for politicians.
See list posted by Cluedo. That hasn't worked out has it?
Now what makes you think after 11 years when they had plenty of 'time' to vote in pay rises for themselves, that THIS government has the competence to tackle this issue?
Hw won't prove it as it's not in his interest.
Fine Gael New Politics 2011
"Fine Gael’s starting point is simple: political failure lies at the heart of Ireland’s economic collapse. The finger of responsibility must, in the first instance, point directly to the massive policy failures of the recent Fianna-Fail led Governments and their willingness to promote the interests of a so-called “Golden Circle” over the interests of the Citizen. Under Fianna Fail a political culture developed which ensured that the bankers and the developers were not dealt with before it was too late. A culture which tolerates cosy cartels and high costs in the private sector and ignores the need for radical reform in the public sector.
However, it is also clear that several key weaknesses in Ireland’s political system facilitated the failures of the last twelve years. In particular:
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Number 1 priority in 2011, 11 years ago.
It was all lies. They got my vote but now they get my wrath. Both of them.
Since when are these two the opposition?
https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/aib-will-pay-no-tax-for-30-years-after-ipo-brokers-told-35785397.html
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-20459797.html
I was referring to corporation tax which they won't be paying for at least 20 years.
Can you point to the expense fraud bill that the government have been so keen to push through...but keep getting distracted?
New Politics was 2011! Joke shop.
😂
🤷♂️ I said if the givernmemt didn’t waste so much time responding to these pointless motions and time wasting by the opposition they might actually get something done. Like a motion on turf 🤦♂️
The Pritti Patel School Of Social Cohesion...starve them out!
It's a government responsibility and sitting party leaders SAID they would do something about it.
Such evasion.
Never believe what the opposition tell you, they do pay tax
This is the Government thread. I already researched O'Snodaigh and gave you my opinions on his theft.
Why don't you prove that the Opposition have been committing as much expense fraud as FFG and then answer why FFG have never tried to stop it. It's fairly obvious to everyone that understands Irish politics over the past 50 years.
Feel free to add to the list...
Alan Farrell (FG)
Maria Bailey (FG)
Michelle Mulherin (FG)
Jerry Buttimer (FG)
Dara Murphy (FG)
Hugh McElvaney (FG)
Ivor Callely (FF)
Ned O'Keefe (FF)
Eamon Scanlon (FF)
Joe Queenan (FF)
Jerry Lundy (FF)
Bertie Ahern (FF)
Charlie Haughey (FF)
P Flynn (FF)
Niall Blaney (FF)
O'Snodaigh (SF)
They pay plenty of tax, just no corporation tax until they use up their accumulated losses. Maybe we should have kept it fully public owned until they use up their tax asset. That way as sole shareholder the exchequer would benefit more from the tax free profits. I don't get the rush to return AIB to private ownership. The state is unlikely to ever make its money back if it returns to private ownership at the speed envisaged by government.
I don’t need to defend anyone…
You are ranting and raving about people who made decisions and changes so we have a country and the luxuries we have now
Go back and point out a opposition TD and tell me what good they done? How many rehearsed speech’s has the government seen and the opposition TD sits back and do nothing for 5 years.
If FF, FG, Greensand all the other parties that stepped up to serve their country like the “status quo” we would still be a little island on the edge of Europe with no money and no jobs and no future. Plus we would never have peace on this island
But don’t let me stop you
Waffle.
You might have missed New Politics in 2011.
Or Charlie Haughey buying a yacht, a mansion and an island in the 1980s when the country was living "beyond its means".
You might have missed that Bertie didn't have a bank account...
Give me a break.
FFG like the status quo. They make good money in the trough.
Can you not defend one of your heroes on the list ?
It's also funny how we can tell them to pay no tax for a certain number of years.
"sunshine" and now "schooled"
The current government and Taoiseach have been in since 2020. You might have missed it, big election, the "winner" went into hiding, three parties came together because the Irish people needed it...Im sure it was on the news at the time. Around the time of the biggest pandemic in the World maybe ever
Anyway, still doesn't change my original statement but carry on
A lame response after being schooled. Do you answer any questions?
Who has been in government for the past 20 years and can legislate against all the expense fraud?
I feel like I am dealing with an infant with the most basic of questions to lead you to a conclusion.
I'll answer any queries you have on the list.
Its rather odd that we can tell AIB how much they can pay their senior staff but don't have any other influence. What is the benefit of public ownership?
More double standards.
Keep bashing away at the keyboard, it still doesn't change the fact I said it should be changed for all parties/TD etc.
Doesnt the state still own a major chunk of AIB? Why are we asking them nicely provide cash services to customers? Tell them to behave.
Such horseshit.
What's a decent town and name a place that is 30 miles from a town?
Do you think they will cut off rural electricity? Nonsense.
And they are unaccountable to anyone. Is that your feeble excuse?
You certainly highlighted it 😏
Who are an arm of Government. The buck stops etc etc.
P.S. The regulation governing the make-up of a block are the same in Kerry as they are in Donegal.
Your lack of knowledge is no longer surprising. Local authorities are responsible for enforcing regulations.
