Following on from
this thread
Please remain civil or posting privileges will be removed
It's like the person smoking 60 a day and then complaining when they get cancer. "If only I knew"
Dubs will be able to sue too, we know vehicle fumes cause cancer. Have they stopped cars using the cities? Nope. Have they stopped the sale of cigarettes? Nope
P.S. Mica issues were caused by government imcompetence in enforcing regulations or willful overlooking of regulations.
Talk about trying to fire as much at the dart board 🎯 to see if something will stick
Is the plan to do nothing because other things output CO2?
Not many will accept that, sounds like some more flip flopping
looking at the amount of people who use turf and the tiny number who need to the CO2 output is too high so it should be banned now(or if really required put in place to get rid straight after war while we upgrade the people who require it to alternatives)
Your unwillingness to post a link to back up your utterances is a mystery but I did find the facts behind your vague reference. Here is a link...
SF TD says printer cartridges worth €50k he took from Dail were for constituency work - Independent.ie
That story passed me by but I read it in detail and it does sound like the gobdaw was stealing those cartridges. The use was way too excessive for constituency use. I'd have O'Snodaigh (SF) in court alongside Dara Murphy and others in FG. I am astounded he was re-elected but so was Farrell and other cowboys.
It's not fake expenses per se but it is theft and taxpayer waste. He should have been forced to pay it all back or jailed.
I find it maddening that TDs are allowed to print booklets and send them through our letterboxes every year.
Five TDs spent almost €4,000 between them printing Christmas material using Oireachtas facility (thejournal.ie)
FIANNA FÁIL’S NIALL Collins spent more taxpayer money using an Oireachtas service to print Christmas calendars and cards than any other TD ahead of the festive season. Figures released to The Journal under the Freedom of Information Act show that Collins, his party colleague Willie O’Dea, Sinn Féin’s John Brady and the Healy-Rae brothers all had Christmas material printed for them at a cost of hundreds of Euro late last year. Overall, 51 different TDs and senators used the Oireachtas printer in the run-up to Christmas at a cost of €6,428.96, but the five TDs above were responsible for more than half the total cost between them.
Anyway, I have provided a number of FG lads who created dodgy expenses and pocketing the money.
Alan Farrell (FG)
Maria Bailey (FG)
Michelle Mulherin (FG)
Jerry Buttimer (FG)
Dara Murphy (FG)
Hugh McElvaney (FG)
You asked for Fianna Fail lads. How about these gents...
Ivor Callely (FF)
Ned O'Keefe (FF)
Eamon Scanlon (FF)
Joe Queenan (FF)
Jerry Lundy (FF)
Bertie Ahern, Charlie Haughey, P Flynn and Niall Blaney might have cooked the books a small bit too.
Let me know if you need details on any of the above. I'll have more in a while.
Now some homework for you...
Q. Have FFG changed the expense rules given the widespread abuse?
A. OF COURSE NOT!!!
Your lack of knowledge is no longer surprising. Local authorities are responsible for enforcing regulations.
Who are an arm of Government. The buck stops etc etc.
P.S. The regulation governing the make-up of a block are the same in Kerry as they are in Donegal.
You certainly highlighted it 😏
And they are unaccountable to anyone. Is that your feeble excuse?
Such horseshit.
What's a decent town and name a place that is 30 miles from a town?
Do you think they will cut off rural electricity? Nonsense.
Doesnt the state still own a major chunk of AIB? Why are we asking them nicely provide cash services to customers? Tell them to behave.
More double standards.
Keep bashing away at the keyboard, it still doesn't change the fact I said it should be changed for all parties/TD etc.
Its rather odd that we can tell AIB how much they can pay their senior staff but don't have any other influence. What is the benefit of public ownership?
A lame response after being schooled. Do you answer any questions?
Who has been in government for the past 20 years and can legislate against all the expense fraud?
I feel like I am dealing with an infant with the most basic of questions to lead you to a conclusion.
I'll answer any queries you have on the list.
"sunshine" and now "schooled"
The current government and Taoiseach have been in since 2020. You might have missed it, big election, the "winner" went into hiding, three parties came together because the Irish people needed it...Im sure it was on the news at the time. Around the time of the biggest pandemic in the World maybe ever
Anyway, still doesn't change my original statement but carry on
It's also funny how we can tell them to pay no tax for a certain number of years.
Waffle.
You might have missed New Politics in 2011.
Or Charlie Haughey buying a yacht, a mansion and an island in the 1980s when the country was living "beyond its means".
You might have missed that Bertie didn't have a bank account...
Give me a break.
FFG like the status quo. They make good money in the trough.
Can you not defend one of your heroes on the list ?
I don’t need to defend anyone…
You are ranting and raving about people who made decisions and changes so we have a country and the luxuries we have now
Go back and point out a opposition TD and tell me what good they done? How many rehearsed speech’s has the government seen and the opposition TD sits back and do nothing for 5 years.
If FF, FG, Greensand all the other parties that stepped up to serve their country like the “status quo” we would still be a little island on the edge of Europe with no money and no jobs and no future. Plus we would never have peace on this island
But don’t let me stop you
They pay plenty of tax, just no corporation tax until they use up their accumulated losses. Maybe we should have kept it fully public owned until they use up their tax asset. That way as sole shareholder the exchequer would benefit more from the tax free profits. I don't get the rush to return AIB to private ownership. The state is unlikely to ever make its money back if it returns to private ownership at the speed envisaged by government.
This is the Government thread. I already researched O'Snodaigh and gave you my opinions on his theft.
Why don't you prove that the Opposition have been committing as much expense fraud as FFG and then answer why FFG have never tried to stop it. It's fairly obvious to everyone that understands Irish politics over the past 50 years.
Feel free to add to the list...
Bertie Ahern (FF)
Charlie Haughey (FF)
P Flynn (FF)
Niall Blaney (FF)
O'Snodaigh (SF)
Never believe what the opposition tell you, they do pay tax
It's a government responsibility and sitting party leaders SAID they would do something about it.
Such evasion.
The Pritti Patel School Of Social Cohesion...starve them out!
🤷♂️ I said if the givernmemt didn’t waste so much time responding to these pointless motions and time wasting by the opposition they might actually get something done. Like a motion on turf 🤦♂️
Can you point to the expense fraud bill that the government have been so keen to push through...but keep getting distracted?
New Politics was 2011! Joke shop.
😂
Since when are these two the opposition?
https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/aib-will-pay-no-tax-for-30-years-after-ipo-brokers-told-35785397.html
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-20459797.html
I was referring to corporation tax which they won't be paying for at least 20 years.
Fine Gael New Politics 2011
"Fine Gael’s starting point is simple: political failure lies at the heart of Ireland’s economic collapse. The finger of responsibility must, in the first instance, point directly to the massive policy failures of the recent Fianna-Fail led Governments and their willingness to promote the interests of a so-called “Golden Circle” over the interests of the Citizen. Under Fianna Fail a political culture developed which ensured that the bankers and the developers were not dealt with before it was too late. A culture which tolerates cosy cartels and high costs in the private sector and ignores the need for radical reform in the public sector.
However, it is also clear that several key weaknesses in Ireland’s political system facilitated the failures of the last twelve years. In particular:
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Number 1 priority in 2011, 11 years ago.
It was all lies. They got my vote but now they get my wrath. Both of them.
Hw won't prove it as it's not in his interest.
Nonsense.
Just as this was nonsense in Enda Kenny's manifesto
• Change must start at the top: The political system cannot ask others to change and make sacrifices if it is not prepared to do the same. Fine Gael will cut the size of the Oireachtas by one-third by abolishing the Seanad, if the public approve in constitutional referendum, and cutting the number of TDs by 20. In addition ministers’ salaries will be reduced, political expenses fully vouched for and severance payments for ministers axed. No political pensions will be paid to sitting TDs and no retired politician will get a political pension until the national retirement age. Politics must be about service to the public, not financial gain for politicians.
See list posted by Cluedo. That hasn't worked out has it?
Now what makes you think after 11 years when they had plenty of 'time' to vote in pay rises for themselves, that THIS government has the competence to tackle this issue?
No you said they paid “no tax”
Yes as in no corporation tax which I clarified earlier.
