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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    But there is/was higher than normal demand, according to the industry leaders.

    Construction supplies demand has absolutely fallen off a cliff the last month

    Anyway the OP claimed demand has nose dived, whatever about constraints this would lead to lower prices and more availability.

    I asked what the source was for this, the question remains unanswered and not something I have seen myself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    Work in the construction materials supply sector in the East, extremely quite for this time of the year, reports of quarry's and concrete plants in the west of Ireland on 3 day weeks, from what I can see the demand is way down for this time of the year, and being going that way since June.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,954 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    This reads like a post from late 2006 early 2007. Young lads getting lots of money from construction putting 50 quid of diesel into a financed RR sport (for the commercial tax) and getting a breakfast roll. A year later the RR was repossessed and the young lad was on a fas course.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭BASHIR


    The breakfast on the Fas course used to be unreal in fairness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The traditional builders holidays kicked in Friday so demand would reflect this.

    There has definitely been a contraction but that would be natural give it went hyper sonic, this would be more in the commercial sector largely down to work from home policies ironically, the domestic sector is still rumbling on. Again that's according to the industry, not my opinion.

    But working in the construction supply sector are you saying demand in your area is down 70-80-90%? How do you quantify "falling off a cliff"?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,686 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    New house starts were reported to be down 30% in June and Google have a global hiring freeze (excluding essential roles).

    At first it was one by one, then it was all at once. We are still at one by one point...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Darth Putin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Arbitrary nonsense figures without context is just complete and utter gutter journalism.

    30% down on the previous June which as we all should know was not a "normal" June.

    Housing starts in June were almost 30% lower than in the same month last year, according to figures from the Department of Housing.

    The department said that 2,060 commencement notices, which indicate the number of homes on which construction work started, were received during the month.

    It pointed out, however, that the June 2021 figure included some of the backlog from previous months, when there were significant COVID-19 restrictions on construction activity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    This was before the builders holidays, Some main building products down over 55% on this time last year, and down 33% on 2019 levels for same summer period, maybe falling off a cliff a bit too hard but anything over a 50% YOY is a sharp decline. To be fair up until May it was quite buoyant, so thats why I would be fearful of this sudden drop in demand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,760 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...and the fact, china's economy is also falling off a cliff....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Is there people who think a recession is not coming?

    The MNCs are really looking at their costs right now and searching for ways to cut their spending.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,760 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    with energy costs sky rocketing, theyre very limited in what they can truly do



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    33% drop on demand from 2019 although we are on target to at least build 30% more this year.

    Something not making sense there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,686 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Housing starts are also down month on month, from the peak in April (-13.2% on peak). The June 2022 figures are also down 8.1% on June 2019.

    I would not be at all surprised if commercial construction is doing even worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Ireland are in the top 5 for years as an Open Economy to do business in, so we are certainly going to feel the global recession.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    Yeah those targets will not be reached, if things kept going like it was up until May then I would have agreed big time but building is cyclical interms of summer months longer days better weather more building activity, the fact that I am seeing a slowdown on our typically busiest time of the year is not good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Darth Putin


    A77E82DB-BF54-43EA-9220-8D47C60E91C3.jpeg

    Recession confirmed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,954 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    There's plenty of folks who don't think a recession is coming. I think personally that there will be one (and that we are actually already in one). The only question is how bad it will be.

    At least thanks to the CBI rules there shouldnt be many sub prime mortgages this time. The big risk now is sub prime debt, for the likes of cars etc as well as BNPL (a large and largely unregulated pool of debt). Tech stocks have plummeted away their covid bubble growth. Netflix and the other FAANGs are not hiring and are actually laying folks off en masse. Crypto has burst - look at coinbase recent job offer revocations. We've had 10 years of boom since the last 08-12 bust, so in our cyclical economy we are due one.

    My personal opinion - working in credit risk - is that we would have had a recession 2 years ago if it werent for the government support provided during covid



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    I would fear for Dublin city centre especially if the tech companies layoff people. Alot of these workers are foreign and will just emigrate as did the foreign workers in the construction sector after the celtic tiger burst. Alot of high wage professionals leaving dublin could put pressure on the high cost of living there too. My own opinion is that maybe Dublin city needs abit of manners put on it, extreme greed and gougery going on since 2016



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81 ✭✭BigRighysteria


    If those tech companies in Dublin somehow fail the recession this country will experience will be Biblical.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    Anybody on PCP car finance I money becomes tight will find it hard to fork out the cash for the balloon payment after the 3 years or upgrade, VW Bank maybecome under pressure who knows, people forfeiting PCP mostly diesel cars that in the future will have no resale vale as they are being phased out, what will VW bank do with a 3 year old diesel car with no value - me thinks ship it too some developing country like India and to hell with pollution.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,497 ✭✭✭NSAman


    I work a lot with major companies internationally.

    During a recent phone call with someone i have collaborated with for the past 10 years (head of his companies department) he told me the whole department had been furloughed for the next month.

    The next call I had was from another colleague saying his whole department had been fired.

    This is terrifying! The departments in question would be the first to normally downsize with recession on the horizon.

    it’s coming. Everyone and their dog knows it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    Certainly the optics are not good, will be interesting to see what the earnings reporting will be like for these tech companies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,290 ✭✭✭✭Geuze




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,290 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Household balance sheets are strong, so even if there is a recession, the impact should not be as bad as 2008/2009

    Household debts have fallen.

    Household deposits have risen.

    144 bn on deposit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,954 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    There was a technical recession yes but not one that was ongoing or impactful. It was caused by covid, not solely by market factors.

    Agreed. Our cash windfall of corporation tax (which is essentially funding the country) would be gone. People dont realise how dependent we are as a nation on a small number of MNCs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,760 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    do saving rates represent non savers? ...and what about the fact private debt globally, is now at an even higher rate than 08 levels, particularly at the corporate level, again, baring in mind, it was ultimately private debt that triggered 08?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Darth Putin


    Most lost between 50 and 90% in stock price, yet remain crazy profitable (25-30% profit margins)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    In the last recession, from April 2009 to April 2010, 75% of people who emigrated were non nationals. We're even more exposed to that now. So much immigration that if things do slow down and jobs dry up people will emigrate in greater numbers.

    And regarding PCP, it could be a double whammy. Not only will repayments go up, but asset prices will fall due to the rising rates also.

    Say you saw a car for 10k and you took a loan for 1 year at 0%. That means you pay 200 euro a week, which all goes on the principal payment. (what the car was bought for which is 10k)

    But with higher rates, you still only want/afford to spend 200 euro per week paying a loan back so now you can't afford the 10k car because the 10k you need to buy the car will cost extra on repayments, so now you may only be able afford a 9.5k car.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Darth Putin




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