It's great to see an immigrant assimilate so much that he uses "we". I'm sure everyone on the thread agrees with that.
What a horrendously misleading headline
""There is a mechanism to do it and we're not the first — France and the UK would have done it at different periods in the past for similar reasons. We're not doing it forever. We will keep it under review.
"But given the circumstances that we are in at the moment, and particularly the phenomena of the last number of weeks and in respect of those seeking international protection, I think it's a wise move to take at this particular point.""
Its as if having to get a visa is a major imposition, rather than just some admin that a huge proportion of people have to do to travel. The people impacted by this already have protection in another European country yet the NGO's are acting as if this is the most callous thing that the State could do.
The examiner is also saying that hundreds are going to be deported in the coming weeks, I'll believe that when I see it
Then there is the environmental aspect of cramming the country. I see many of the same posters championing limitless migration while calling for Ireland to be rewilded and for all to become vegetarians or to eat insects. You aren't doing your causes any favours.
I put this very contradiction to the Greens when they came calling last election out. No answer....just grumbling. I followed up pushing for more National parks and the creation of Marine Parks which I sincerely favour....(after all we are an island nation) ....yet they just shuffled off in a huff. Father Ted stuff.
Actually. there's more to it than simply the learning aspect. For many courses, it's the contacts/networking with other students, faculty members, and professional associations that are often just as important as the learning process itself. For quite a few people, third level education is where they put behind them the horrors of secondary school, and find themselves as adults, breaking into the new world of adult living. That's incredibly important for many people.
And you're right. Distance/remote learning falls far short of what in person learning provides... and there's a whole can of worms involved with testing, cheating, quality of work, etc.
At the end of the day though, why are Irish people expected to sacrifice their futures for the sake of other people? None of this should be happening.. and it comes down to the failure of the government to adequately run this country.
What, remote learning ? You do understand the huge gulf in terms of quality education.. remote vs in person learning ? And if you don’t, jeeez.
And the worst part of it is, we can't even throw the shower of idiots we have in charge out of their Dail seats, or we could, but replace them with who? Sinn Feinn/PBP /Social Democrats? Their policy is the same as the governments, only MORE extreme.....
It really is depressing, I've given up on this country to the point that I'm now cheering on it's collapse. Let more in! Let the streets bulge with tents full of Irish and the suburbs sprawl with migrant shanty towns and let every fart huffing idiot that supports this policy face it's consequences. I've done plenty to insulate myself in ways I won't to divulge, but I will be in a place to sit back with a cocktail and laugh at Paddy's inepititude. "You get what you f"£$%ing deserve..."
Yeah just destroy multiple thousands livelihoods up and down the country that depend on tourism, send them all into mortgage arrears.
Sure that would be good news wouldn't it, to free up more houses for the new Irish
Truly there is no capacity available - hotels should not be used as housing, they are part of a tourism industry that needs tourists, not refugees. They are also needed for business travelers that won't stay in hotels overrun by africans no matter how progressive they may paint themselves to be - and Ireland needs them more than the refugees because they are part of the business that actually pays for this insanity. The student accommodations are needed or students, and we need the students more than we need refugees, we can't get enough of them in some fields as it is, we don't need to make things harder.
Further steps towards the dissolution of the EU
Where did I say that we would need to use every room 🙄
I said there is capacity to use more than we are using now
I agree. I don’t know what it stands for any more, and it’s going to spend the next decade tying itself up in knots because of immigration
The last gasps of a rapidly dying fish. The EU is done. It’s on its arse and hoping new blood will keep the money wagon rolling. It’ll be a memory within ten years
More expansion of the EU is on the way. I wonder if this will lead to further growth in the cultures and nationalities here
THE EU LAUNCHED membership negotiations today with Albania and North Macedonia, a long-delayed step towards the countries joining the bloc.
What a wall of waffle.
That's why they do not allow irish abroad to vote unlike many other countries
I`d bet thousands up thousands of Irish emigrants who left after the GFC to places like Canada, UK, Australia etc did their research on returning home in the following years and if their timing wasnt exactly right they would have seen a housing crisis and how unaffordable the move would be. There would be no own door accommodation, no direct provision/accommodation and money thrown at them to return home. Those people saved Ireland money by working abroad instead of claiming the dole. I bet they werent flying through various countries doing asylum/welfare shopping either. They worked for visas and in some cases citizenship.
Exactly! Circa 300k were forced into exile. Yet during the decade that followed the pipeline for for immigration kept flowing> In effect they were replaced by cheaper "non voting" labour. Not only were these exiles off the dole but were also compelled to send funds back to pay off debts incurred in the GFC debacle. Salt in the wounds> Both Martin and Ryan were in Cabinet at the time>>yet here they are in power again. Who can forget that clown Noonan calling it a lifestyle choice>
Imagine a ruling class that works for the return of the thousands forced into exile not just post GFC but also those from the 80s and before...redirecting all those billions allocated to the asylum racket. Dream on>
Irish citizens absolutely have more right to welfare and support here than anyone from anywhere else.
And yes they should come first.
Yes I think we should do what we can for Ukraine. Seems like they would prefer weapons to hand outs in fairness. Our money goes further in Ukraine and in eastern Europe than it does here. If we are putting them in tents anyway because of the accommodation crisis then our money is better spent abroad. For their sake and ours. It's also no use destroying our tourism industry as it will lower the countries income meaning less money to pay for the debt for all of this!
"Ukrainian" refugees stats from our own government are 30% Ukrainians. 70% are not....what are they so?? fraudsters? Welfare shoppers? Illegals?
Headcases actually
So what if that poster is or isnt a migrant themselves?
I`d bet thousands upon thousands of Irish emigrants who left after the GFC to places like Canada, UK, Australia etc did their research on returning home in the following years and if their timing wasnt exactly right they would have seen a housing crisis and how unaffordable the move would be. There would be no own door accommodation, no direct provision/accommodation and money thrown at them to return home. Those people saved Ireland money by working abroad instead of claiming the dole. I bet they werent flying through various countries doing asylum/welfare shopping either. They worked for visas and in some cases citizenship.
Not only that but I bet many of the migrants already living in Ireland would likely prefer a lower cost of living and a sustainable migration rate.
How so? Using your logic, some indigenous Irish person whose bloodline goes all the way back to the stone age settlers in Ireland 9000 years ago is sleeping on a street tonight while an immigrant is on Irish land sleeping soundly and comfortably. That indigenous Irish person has a bloodline going back 9000 years on this land! And then an eastern european came into his land and took up housing and facilities while he is sleeping on the street in the rain!!! If he went to Poland he wouldn't get the same treatment!!! His bloodline goes back 9000 years! His ancestors were using stone age tools on this land. The government needs to look after the indigenous Irish and start the deportations of the immigrants!!! His bloodline goes back 9000 years and you've just been on this land for a few years at most!!!!! I can see why you think Helen McEntee has a lot to answer for!!! This country is going to the dogs!!
Again.. the above is using your logic. Correct me if im wrong here, I'm happy to be corrected. I don't agree with the above sentiments one bit but sadly they are espoused by a fractional minority of people.
It is absolutely factual that Germany, the only EU Member State that specifically records these statistics, has had issues with asylum claimants returning to their country of origin for visits and it is absolutely factual that Merkel has commented firmly on this phenomenon in the German press. It is equally factual that your representation of the Government’s plans to end Direct Provision by placing asylum claimants on “local authority housing lists, bumping up the figures of “homelessness”, is false.
You're not using my logic and you know it.
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Aren't you an immigrant? Going off your logic you are using up facilities and housing that could be used by the indigenous Irish. What about the homeless Irish person who is now on the street tonight while an Eastern European immigrant who wasn't born here has accommodation and can comfortably post on boards... I'm just using your own logic here..
It's not reactionary, pretty much everyone in the political establishment wants this country rammed to gills for their own reasons, and be damned how many Irish people wind up living in tents.
None of that is based in fact
It is entirely relevant to the original statement, approximately a fifth (18%) of the emergency repatriations from Afghanistan in 2021 were Afghan nationals with Irish residency rights. A fifth and that is at a time when the Taliban were at the gates of Kabul. As far as I’m aware, Germany is the only EU Member State that substantively records this information, the reason for that, is that Germany is the only EU Member State that reserves the right to reassess asylum applications based on this information. Even then, German statistics are based on openly declared return visits, German officials are adamant that the majority of return visits are undeclared. If I remember correctly, there was a minor furore after Welt am Sonntag reported on the number of asylum claimants (primarily Syrian) returning to visit their country of origin, Merkel had to comment on the matter. Even if you dispute it, allow it to remain as an anecdotal contribution to the discussion, evidenced, in as far as recorded evidence is publicly available, by the percentage of non-Irish nationals with residency rights repatriated during the pandemic and the assault on Kabul. By the way, you fabricated the housing arrangements contained in the White paper on ending Direct Provision and entirely ignored my response to that misinformation - what you wrote was well beyond disputable, it was patently false.
I see your points but believe you have missed another potential stream of accommodation.
Students stay home-
CPO new build houses and apartments-
How about put everyone over 70 into a home and use their houses?
Yes it's really weird how easily are you willing to take things away from some that have absolutely no duty to do anything and give them to some others that did nothing to deserve them.
As I thought, totally haven't a sensible answer.
God knows what kind of a country you envisage. Hotels full of migrants and no student accommodation because there accommodation are full of migrants. And lastly should this additional accommodation you mention not be used for our own citizens living in hotels and b&bs.
Sacrifice? lol, drama
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