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Turkeys voting for Christmas and there is no bigger turkey than McGuinness, possibly the most overrated politician of his generation.
Mc Grath just seems to want to be liked by everyone, especially within FG , the love fest between him and Paschal is vomit inducing to watch. He seems to lack ambition to be leader , quite content as long as he has a Job in Cabinet. But to be fair to him , he seems to have a real grasp of what's going on , the rest just all over the place .
It's delicious.
This is the greatest thing I have ever witnessed in irish politics. I have been stunned for years, about how the standard of politics and politicians here can be so low. Varadkar is a fraud, all talk... every party here wants to and does throw the workers under the bus. Karma has come. Doesnt matter what ffg do now. Things will only get worse for them, some of it obviously due to circumstances outside of their control. But this faith, has been coming for decades. Looks like D day is nearly upon us...
He's rather inoffensive and that's his advantage. Martin always appears like a school teacher lecturing a class. He was never any threat to Ahern even when Cowen was made Ahern's successor. It was only when FF began to fall apart that Martin made his move to replace Cowen. It is interesting that no replacement candidate has made any move yet. There seems to be a process of sounding out possible supporters underway in FF. Removing Martin will not fix the main problem with FF. It is simply losing support.
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Ahh some are trying to tell us now he is a mastermind
Personally I don’t see it
And delightful 😏
I'm not so sure. FF would get great milage and another rebranding if they ditched FG before the government term is up. No better way to distance themselves. But it would mean ditching MM and the others who openly embraced FG.
FF are masters at claiming cleaning house to sell the 'that was then, this is now' story...of course, before returning to their rotten form.
Martin saw that FG would rehabilitate the party. because in order to cling to power they have to pretend they are two different parties. The 'sham civil war parties' etc etc Both of them need to exist in order to survive.
They clung on the coat tails of one another pretending to offer something different. I think they have been rumbled because they were forced to coalesce/merge/marry or whatever you want to call it,
There'll be people sick and tired of this government who are unsure about looking elsewhere. If FF ditched FG, MM and a few others, they could campaign as an alternative. It would be bloody though.
Part of me hopes they finish the term and run as a team. That would do away with them both IMO.
They can't even set up a tent camp (which we were told was ready to go) without a delay ffs
An alternative to the government they are jointly leading? To take that tack the new leader would have to come out and say allying with FG was a mistake from the get-go and pull the plug on the government immediately. I doubt anyone in FF has that radical a vision for the party...
Was Helen or Heather not available for the Ribbon cutting ceremony on Monday, they live nearby 🤔 perhaps Golden photo opportunities delayed till Tuesday 🙄
On balance finishing the full term is unquestionably the better option for all of them no matter what some of these FF members claim. Most of those who are agitating are at the absolute end of their political careers and still harbour delusions that FF can return to 1977 levels. Even 2002 would do them! It's very unlikely it ever will.
Meanwhile some comments from Ryan on emissions targets plans.
Yeah it's probably gobdaws like OCuiv, ODea and Cowen throwing shapes. FF would be stupid to pull the plug early. An election in the middle of winter would ruin them.
Are these the Plans Rural FFG TD'S are on a collision course with ER 🤔
If the polls are anyway correct there is going to some mess trying to bring a government together next time seems a lot of voters are going to waste a vote by chooosing an independent .
Yeah, but mostly about the inflationary cost of carbon taxes, the "turf war" and the potential seat losses to Indos and SF who care a lot less about such environmental things but do care about winning seats. These are the 2030 targets.
Agriculture bodies are not happy with the herd reduction comments but willing to engage and do their bit for the environment so there is plenty of road to talk about that. That's more likely to show progress than whingeing TDs, anxious about seats.
I won't pretend to understand all this stuff re agricultural emissions, so I'll leave that to you and others who know more about it 😏 I just read there was tensions from FFG TD'S
They are that power hungry. Hanging it all on MM and as you said saying, "allying with FG was a mistake". It's a possibility IMO. I can guarantee you similar was said at that secret back bench meeting.
Can you see FG going into the next GE talking about how great FF are?
Hearing Ryan moan about carbon emissions on the News at 1 today, I'm struck by how the Greens have destroyed one sure way of capturing carbon, i.e. the forest industry.
We're at the lowest planting rate since 1946, with in or about 2500ha. Nothing but Native Woodland is being planted-itself a good thing, but little or no conifers except on reafforestation. Minister Hackett and her technical foresters in DAFM have decided to collapse the conifer planting program, in favour of native trees which will help biodiversity. Hackett has publicly and ignorantly denounced Sitka Spruce and Ryan has no understanding of the historical basis for past plantings.The best to be expected from this is firewood, but the Greens want to stop that too. Hackett is also refusing to sanction sanitation fellings for the multiple plantations affeced by various diseases, despite this being best practice in other countries. It looks like a deliberate attempt to ensure that the current forests will be decimated by disease, and this is clearly the thinking among certain people in Agriculture House.
Martin and Varadkar sold out Irish forestry; one to get his portrait on the wall of Leinster House, the other to become Taoiseach again. Neither one is a statesman. Martin has zero vision for the state, and nothing short of Kylie Minogue's endorsement of the Irish forest industry will pique Varadkar's interest. Forestry just isn't sexy enough.
He would say this wouldn't he
If the Turf thng scared rural TDs, this is going to have them in brown trousers territory. The FF/FG TDs are definitely going to start putting the boot in on the Greens.
Extra slurry, so to speak 😂
Voting for Catherine Connolly (IND) was the best thing I ever did. She is a shining light in that Dail. Has held the 3 unwise men to account several times.
The more independents elected means more of the three unwise men unfortunetly.
I've been genuinely impressed by her, very passionate, full of empathy and sincerity and determined. Actually a true independent. I'm assuming an excellent constituency TD 🤔 and made the best speech at the MONC despite the disrespectful heckling from a few bullies across on the government benches. I'd like to have seen who they were.
Steady on, did you say wise 🤔
It's just the targets for now but it is the way the government are going on this. The Greens may leave a lot to be desired in how they communicate some of this stuff and just how far they want to go but it does set the environmental agenda for the next 8 years.
A new government will find it impossible to reverse them, especially in light of global commitments on warming. These TDs may find some comfort in how these things are ultimately negotiated and they'll probably be involved in them, even if it's only to claim the successful outcomes.
Why are TD's or TD calling for MM to step down but vote confidence in the government?
Pensions?
Hypocrite ****.
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