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What circles BA?
All politicians and parties get abuse on social media, this we know.
You said I should contact an 'organisation' about that.
So what organisation and what evidence do you have that they are behind this stuff in an organised way?
FF would traditionally be seen as "cute hoors" in the political scene, I'm surprised that they didn't foresee this identity crisis hurtling down the tracks at them.
FG on the other hand are like a fish, rotting from the head. They need to dump their divisive and toxic leader before the next election, a serial loser who is costing them seats at every election.
THe discussion is on the opposition thread. As I already said I have no interest in your victim blaming.
They've become virtually indistinguishable from one another. I've said elsewhere that they'll really really struggle on their next election campaign to run a campaign where one will have to prove it's a viable alternative to the other one.
Not a problem for FG. Here's their entire election manifesto:
FF (and all the other parties) would put SF into government but we wouldn't!
They're also on record of saying other things that have come back to bite them.
Seems there's a spot of bother in the FF camp.
Leo isn't home and hosed by any stretch of the imagination.
Some FGers also want a review of the programme for government but Martin and Varadkar have ruled it out. The FGers are Charlie Flanagan and Regina Doherty so no high-profile FGers are involved yet.
It may be just the media Silly Season and FGers looking for attention. With FF, things are a bit worse in that there seems to be a momentum building to to get rid of Martin. Varadkar's declining popularity, as has been seen in various opinion polls, may have FGers worried that he will repeat another great Varadkar victory and lose more seats for FG at the next GE.
Regards...jmcc
Running on that alone will get them votes :-)
Yes it's working so far!
Don't forget they were essentially FG's lackeys for the previous government with the cas arrangement,. There are bound to be many FF TD's who are sick to the teeth of backing the FG incopetence and mouthpieces (they have their own to worry about). They couldn't vote against MONCs, nominate ministers, had to agree with government spending (e.g. the ludicrously priced childrend hospital) and more.
A policy to "ban summer" would probably "get votes" from some of our population, however FG would want to have a bit more substance to them than a "we don't like SF".
Don't take my word though. The polls are not your friend here. Consistently polling one direction year on year.
Their current trajectory is one of doom and obliteration.
In before me A_Jez
FG remind me of the DUP with this strategy. Righteous indignation and high moral ground head in the sand politics. A refusal to see that maybe it is you (FG) that is the problem.
Strategically they don't seem to have a clue.
One of the tweeters on that may be right...FG spin and dirty tricks.
These renegades need to be flushed out into open view.
If it is true, things could get very nasty indeed and we could be looking at a split in FF
Ah no. I don't want this. People need to tell them to cop on - a deal is a deal.
Yes but we're still a long way out from the election and FF have not even clarified their position on coalition with SF yet. Plus FG have to bite their tongues about the issue if they want the current government to last.
But once the starting gun is fired on the election FG will quickly turn their faces as blue as their shirts repeating ad nausaeum "A vote for anyone except us is potentially a vote for SF" Then we'll see if middle Ireland flocks to the FG banner...
That is unfortunate. :) Some FFers are revolting.
Seems FF is peopled by an awful lot of stupid people. More likely they want something from MM. Are these the same people who fancy a deal with SF? Getting to 2024-25 as a government in theory allows them to present a more rosy outlook on housing, Jan-Feb 2023 does not.
Yes with FF as low as 14% in recent opinion polls this really seems a case of
It’s easier just to say that a certain opposition party have won the election now and all other parties are wasting the next 3 years trying to change that
This would be the same Irish Mail that ran an article on a "secret" meeting that was in fact not "secret" at all. 😂
It didn't 'stay' a secret. It was organised in secret from other party members. Every single media outlet has reported that this is what happened. But you persist, predictable.
You have a fairly poor grasp of the definition of the word secret. Here is a hint. Once a secret gets out, it's no longer a secret.
And the mail was hardly the only media outlet that covered the story.
If there is to be a split in FF, it will be between the FG collaborators like Martin and those who still think that FF has a future as a party. The real FFers seem to be those who do not have cabinet positions. It could have been dismissed as just another Silly Season story only for there are some key FF players commenting to the media rather than just backbenchers. O'Dea is a former FF minister. O'Cuiv was removed as deputy leader of FF by Martin for campaigning with an SDLP candidate in the North.
If there is to be a leadership challenge, Michael McGrath could be in danger of being seen as been one of Martin's supporters rather than a real FFer. If he is to have any hope in a leadership election to replace Martin, he will have to play this very carefully.
It could have been dismissed as just another Silly Season story only for there are some key FF players commenting to the media rather than just backbenchers. O'Dea is a former FF minister
Yep.
FF potentially on the cusp of tearing itself asunder.
It's Kind of Ironic, Leo thought a week ago he was in the Clear, MM looking forward to his Hols , the MONC result relieved some pressure, What could possibly go wrong apart from Baggage going missing at Dublin Airport.
Then all hell breaks out , refugee crisis , a debacle of Governments own making , Naughty Back Benchers in both FFG started speaking out , now requests for a review and MM and Leo having none of it .
They may think ignoring the Electorate, generally is fine but they'll ignore Back Benchers at their peril. It would be deliciously Ironic if FF back benchers put a stop to Leo's ambitions. And finally another shocking poll , they say a week in politics a long time , it would seem a day is a long time in Politics on Ireland.
I wonder will any Government ministers find the time to greet Refugees heading for Summer camp in Gormanstown on Monday 🤔, I suspect Not ....
Organise it. Have somewhere to put them. Don't bring them in to sleep on airport floors or shared tents. Plan ahead for once.
You persist in ignoring the criticism regarding the housing crisis and poor planning by government. A government that can't but make various crises worse has absolutely no business inflicting themselves upon a people seeking asylum just for EU 'likes'.
Ah, so it's John McGuinness, who's always had loud and often very empty opinions on things. He was quite the tool as chair of PAC and he was a Minister of State in the ill-fated 2007 government. He has quite the track record of criticising people. Can't say that the opinion of a cranky 70 year old, who will very likely step down, is worth bothering with either. Not exactly an eye on the future with McGuinness now 67. You'd imagine that they could all get together in a room somewhere and work out what FF means. That said they really should know better than to be chatting to the media about it.
That dastardly Twitter 🤣🤣
The funny thing is that more people will follow this on Twitter now than in the dead trees media. It is a much of a muchness statement by McGuinness but the message is clear for Martin: step down. McGuinness is clever enough to make the suggestion appear to be for the good of the FF party rather than to target Martin directly and having Martin step down would eliminate a messy power struggle. Perhaps they can arrange for Martin to be made the EU ambassador to Ukraine. It might be safer there for him there. :)
McGrath never struck me as the sharpest knife in the drawer, but then not a lot of people in FF do. Michael has more sleeveen skills than most of them to have survived this long however and it will be difficult to replace him without the lack of political nous resulting in destroying the party some more. 'There will be blood'
Mc Guinness a little cleverer than some make out and your 100% correct and despite the Mob on Twitter brigade, more will see this on Twitter than anywhere else , especially Leo's communications Team 😏
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