If being an unaligned country with a large army is no deterrent to Putin's ambitions is it time for ROI to join Nato?
They are 'wasting' troops anyhow...would be of no concern logically therefore
What would the purpose be invading us? Your next consideration.
Weak link in NATO's back door large American MN presence. Number of reasons. No ability to defend against the smallest attack.
Why would they invade us? You are being evasive here because the credibility of your fantasy is about to fall apart.
Ireland wouldn't be able to stop them, but then what do this invading force do next?
How would being part of NATO help in any way? The time it would take to get NATO to respond and Ireland would still have been taken over by this 5k large invasion force.
If not a member of NATO the what are those 5k troops doing next. Their supply lines are longer and more complicated routes than pretty much any there is, unless I guess trying to invade Switzerland without entering another EU / NATO country on the way.
Those 5k troops are cut off from resupply the moment they land, whilst they can do a lot very quickly, as soon as they need something they are out luck.
Yes. It’s obvious to anyone that Britain/Nato will take action in our airspace or waters if they perceive a threat to themselves.
Thats is why xxxxxl is being evasive. Think through the fantasy next time maybe.
There are two entirely different problems being discussed.
Problem 1). Irish integrity. Ireland’s physical integrity does not necessarily require NATO membership. A good defense force will do the job adequately enough. There are arguments for and against for cyber security, but let’s assume that Ireland somehow funds something suitable.
Problem 2). Ireland’s economic prosperity relies on its trading partners. It is in Ireland’s interest to have trading partners across Europe who are free to trade as they will. It is thus in Ireland’s interest to aid in the protection of the integrity and freedom of those trading partners, especially those who are close trading partners such as those in the EU.
If they are genuine 'partners' they will respect our desire to be neutral. We don't sit on our laurels in neutrality, we offer a valuanle peacekeeping role which will always be needed
Ok so they will only be "genuine" partners if they accept that Ireland does not want to contribute anything to community values & security?
You absolutely do sit on your laurels with neutrality - come back on this when you spent more than 1% of GDP on your own defence.
Until then just admit that you are a parasite living off of other states.
A partner (equal) would accept your decision without rancour.
If they don’t they are not a partner. They want something that cannot be given.
I think we have to spend money though. We will see if the government follow through
I can just imagine a night down the pub with Francie.
When it comes to his round - if you are my friend/partner you will accept that I am not going to buy a round and if you don't then you are not a genuine friend/partner.
We are out for a pint bob. If you wanna start a fight with someone that’s your business. If somebody attacks you I will step in and try to stop it snd get youse to shake hands not prolong it.
Imagine giving that country a veto on the use of our armed forces, you would be horrified by that………………….oh.
imagine this. Your partner is being brutally assaulted in front of you and crying for help.
Francie’s response to her is that he is neutral and won’t get involved, leaving her to the mercy of her assailants, but get this, he expects her to accept his decision without rancor.
By god, when the real heat gets here tomorrow or Monday, heaven knows what will be said.
I see this is back in the news.
And I see mention again of how generous the UK is in defending us. Its so nice of them to protect our skies.
... From Russian jets which they fcking attracted in the first place.
No Ireland Attracts the Jets as were the weak link on NATO's border.
Yeah. They're probably targeting ballyhaunis.
They also mess around off Swedish airspace and waters. Wonder why. Oh they were not in NATO but on Boarder with NATO.
Local regional power with some relevancy.
Russia enters Irish airspace for the purpose of fcking with a nato country.
The least nato could do is clean up their own mess.
What mess now would that be ?
Russian jets. Obviously.
Russian jets get sent to mess with the UK. UK jets get dispatched to troll them back.
Irish airspace just happens to be en route for all these shenanigans. Who exactly are we supposed to owe thanks to.
We go from 0. Nothing happening.
To -1. Russia nato bullsht in our skies.
And then are restored to 0. Nato chases off the Russian trouble it attracted, original state of nothingness restored.
So why in the fuk would we say thanks to anyone.
Have we profited in some way?
Let me throw your dinner in the bin. Now here have a new one. You're welcome by the way.
If I was attacked in a pub, you would be reading about an attack that was also in progress in a curry house 20 KM away and be calling the Guards asking if it was ok to help. Once the guards told you it was safe you would be there trying to get all parties to shake hands
So the Russian Fleet is Trolling the UK off Irish waters..
I wouldn't go out with people who get into fights. Never had one or been in one, and I'm very close to 60.
I'm actually a good metaphor for Ireland, we don't go looking for fights or play games that will end up in fights.
But we have Peace keepers. Are they not there to fight.
If it is in the interests to keep the peace ..yes.
If in a pub row where my partner is attacked I will fight. But it will be a response. I won't start it or keep it going longer than necessary.
But your looking for a fight if your peace keeping. One group is not happy you are there and will attack if they feel the need. If you were not there you would not get into a fight. Simple really.
240kms off the coast. International waters. Acting within maritime law. Hung around the outer edge a bit. Left on request.
An area you might use to get close, but not too close, to UK or France.
Again, trolling nato.
And again, nato ships - French, US and British, trolled them back.
Gee thanks guys. Let me pay you back. Ill kick the beehive, and then I'll give you all bee suits. Hey, you should be more grateful for the bee suit I provide you with.
We already kicked the beehive. In relation to Ukraine or did we miss the Russian Responses.
Fights are rare. The two sides generally need to be kept apart to come to their senses. That's the unglamourous work peacemakers do, no expensive jets or fireworks. Works in bar room squabbles too. The 'peacemaker' is valuable and skilled.
I have seen many who stood toe to toe boxing who are now mates having a pint or who give each other a wide berth because they realise that fighting is not good.
Do you think Russia is sending a flotilla to troll Ireland from 240kms out, and then upon request moves that same flotilla?
Russian aircraft enter our airspace to fck with nato. Not us.
Russian vessels enter our eea waters to fck with nato. Not us.
Nato and Russia cause the situation. Nato and Russia have the burden of resolving the situation. We owe shyte to any of them.
We profited in no way, we took no action. The consequences aren't ours.
And if it comes down to it, UK can feel free to withdraw their aircraft.
In fact, you know what. We're so damn ungrateful that that is exactly what UK should do, go ahead UK, stop flying over Irish airspace when a Russian strategic bomber pointing towards London enters Irish airspace.
No, no. I insist. We're clearly too ungrateful to warrant any of your jets. Don't enter Irish airspace to chase them away. This is our doing, and we must face the consequences of them bombing the shyte out of London .... I mean Dublin.
