Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119343999#Comment_119343999

Not quite. As others have given examples of in this thread, several of these new arrivals have openly admitted in interviews that they're here in search of work. That's not why they were admitted. They should be sent back.

Then you have the examples being posted of "refugees" effectively asking how to game the system to get "stuff" - be it work, housing, dental care, whatever. I don't do Facebook but I have no reason to think those screenshots are being faked.

But I do agree that we should absolutely tackle our own native layabouts through incentives/opportunities and penalties if they don't take them up. Again this would be very possible if the same will was applied to it as is being used here to accommodate these new arrivals.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119344009#Comment_119344009

Interesting post

Subzero3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119343999#Comment_119343999

They are not in the EU. We don't need to allow unlimited immigration from Ukriane into Ireland.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119343936#Comment_119343936

Am I wrong though in my point? Point is everyone has there part to play directly or indirectly. That's my view.

Plenty of unemployed do good work also to be fair on CE schemes, meals on wheels etc

https://theconversation.com/how-russia-is-trying-to-stoke-anti-ukrainian-sentiment-in-eastern-eu-countries-178816

Humanitarian Crises as a Cyber Weapon:

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119343994#Comment_119343994

Unfortunately, helping any of those mixed in that are arriving under these hypothetical "false pretenses" is the price we have to pay to have a system that will help those that genuinely need help.

Same as how giving handouts to perma-wasters is the price we have to pay for having a safety net for genuine people who fall on hard times.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119343984#Comment_119343984

And yet, while I do agree to a point, they are still more entitled to that euro than guys arriving here under false pretenses in search of a better life.

We're supposed to be offering refuge from war to those genuinely under threat. Not chancers jumping on the bandwagon looking for a better paying job in a modern Western country.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119343972#Comment_119343972

Well there is a certain cohort, permanently sitting on their arses with their paws outstretched, asking for more-more-more. For them, a Euro given to anyone else is seen as a Euro not given to them and hence one the State cannot afford to give

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119343958#Comment_119343958

I thought that was the cry of those saying we should accept anyone who arrives at the door?

But yes, we absolutely should be thinking of the children. Our children who have a right to that education and support to get it.

We should also be thinking about Ukranian children and the effects that bringing them into a system that is at breaking point will have on them and their futures too.

No matter how you try to deflect, the reality is what it is - we've hit and indeed exceeded the limits of what we can sustainability do.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119343537#Comment_119343537

Won't somebody please think of the children 😢

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119343941#Comment_119343941

It's not breaking any rules.

That hypothetical long term unemployed person is incidentally more entitled to supports and incentives to get them back into the workforce than a random guy fresh off the plane expecting to be given direct access to our labour market under the guise of being a refugee rather than the economic migrant he actually is.

Jarhead_Tendler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119343936#Comment_119343936

The mods won't like you challenging that

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119343834#Comment_119343834

You're not fooling me.

You stated that long term unemployed people are creating jobs for Gardai, prison officers, security staff, Paddy Power, drug dealers, and the off license.

I am all for proactive and effective measures to get such people into the workforce with penalties if they don't, but I wouldn't presume that they are by default involved in activity that would require the "services" of the groups you mentioned.

Your thinly veiled effort to disguise how you view long term unemployed is clear.

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119343602#Comment_119343602

I thought their ‘sole hope’ would be to get miles away from war.

but apparently it’s to get a steady job..

You’d swap him for long term unemployed Irish people ? Gladly at this time in this country people who are Irish, citizens do have a right to be here…unlikely to change..

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119343602#Comment_119343602

Anyone who espouses ' look after our own' is just a bigot, a them and we opinion, broadstroke bs which should be called out for what it is.

A good few who espouse "look after our own" really mean "look after me"

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119343812#Comment_119343812

Yes, as I have already mentioned it was filmed by different channels. Belorussian just put it in one clip and commented. There are new YouTubers - refugees - created channels and they driving all over Europe showing cash on camera, shopping, driving from one country to another etc That lady with inflated lips, she’s already popular - Bulgaria provided poor quality pillows for her etc. Definitely there are genuine refugees exist but somehow we cannot or not interested decide on that.

[Deleted User]

Speaking of Student Accommodation...These apartment blocks were handed over willy nilly to house 360 refugees in Letterkenny. Yes, I said 360 refugees! Now, there is a chronic shortage and I mean chronic shortage of student accommodation for the IT in Letterkenny and just accommodation in general.

These apartment blocks are directly across the road from the IT. Sighhhhh and roll eyes 😏🙄

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2021/03/06/news/first-asylum-seekers-begin-arriving-in-letterkenny-2245895/

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119343116#Comment_119343116

Yes that was the situation at the beginning....they thought that it was only a matter of time before the whole Country would be under Russian control, But as things turned out, that's no longer the case. Most of the Country is now secure, and hopefully, it will not be too long before the rest is free of Russians too. So the situation now is far from critical, and we need to take a second look at it.

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119343569#Comment_119343569

So Irish students and taxpayers getting screwed and the response is ^^^. Not one bit surprised going by your track record on this topic,

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119341721#Comment_119341721

I understand what you mean but this video was combined from different bloggers I guess, not by Belarus. If you trust You Tube, same all over.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119343555#Comment_119343555

So far, NUIG confirmed they still be awaiting students in September for traditional learning, not online or remote, as for us, not sure about other courses. Another thing - could we make it here in Ireland if soldiers / veterans wounded, traumatised will join their families here? There s a tent conditions now and what’s happening than? How it ll be managed by the government. Did anyone thought in this direction ?

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119343752#Comment_119343752

Excuse me i was responding to the post that said they would rather ukraines over lazy irish people and asked the question do they contribute to society?

My point was that yes unemployed Irish people do contribute to society. We all play our part.

Did I mention anywhere that they are all scum and criminals with addiction problems? that's your presumption not mine.

sobaga

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119341721#Comment_119341721

Even though it’s government funded in Belarus, this story actually matches the stories I’ve heard from people in Poland, Germany or Ireland. But I had to experience it myself to finally believe.

sobaga

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119341542#Comment_119341542

Oh I wouldn’t class myself as a pathological altruist. Definitely not - based on your description. I can be mercilessly oblivious to self-inflicted conditions like hangover or bad addictions. So no, I wouldn’t buy drugs for a suffering addict or offer a “medicinal” pint to a hungover person. Or a cigarette to a smoker gagging for one because they don’t have money to buy their own. Your lifestyle choice, your problem. But I would feed someone hungry, water someone thirsty or offer clothes to someone who needs them. The war wasn’t those people’s choice, so I was willing to help by offering them food and shelter, but the problem lies in their attitude of being entitled and milking the system or abusing people’s kindness offered to them.

hunter2000

Night Dempo talk in morning you had a busy day

bb12

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119343611#Comment_119343611

one way out of this would be to have us all in lockdown again come autumn-winter. students back to online classes once more. you can already see the mask and covid scare stories starting to work their way back into the media...also lockdowns would prevent an unhappy nation protesting

Dempo1

What a day , night all 😏

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119343757#Comment_119343757

Based on post count , 63 😁

The_Kew_Tour

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119343623#Comment_119343623

How many are you helping?