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parking in or near East Point Business Park

dybbuk

I was offered a Mon-Fri-job there and the only way to keep the commute to under 2.5h/day would be bike or car. Bike isn't really an option, not long-term. And if I were to use public transit, I would still need to drive to it and it be both: over 3h/day and more expensive.

So are there any options to park? (The company I'd be working for has a waiting list, does not "guarantee", etc.

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veryangryman

Not sure what company you're working for but parking there is not an issue for at least one of the companies. You get your application in with the days you want and they give you a sticker, Job done.

Never even used mine. The bike is king in Dublin. I appreciate that you may not have that as an option but life in Dublin sucks for getting around without a bike.

The solution is to ban cars from the core city center and give the road space over to busses, trams, cycling and footpaths. There simply isn’t enough road space for everyone who wants to drive.

It is simple maths, cars tie up too much space and are too inefficient in their use of space. That is why you are seeing places like East Point and frankly most new city center offices have little or no parking space.

Light rail below street level is called a Metro. While I absolutely agree we need to build Metro lines, they do cost billions each and will take decades to build out a comprehensive network. Even then, you’d still want need to reduce cars, see congestion charging in London, despite them having the London Underground. Overhead trams is a complete non starter.

dybbuk

@bk: It was more a rant than a real proposition. If I were to talk seriously, I'd say that the only real solution to fix the transportation situation in Dublin is to change legislation and create corridors as straight or short if you will as possible for:

1) Cyclsits: near pedestrian paths, not cars. The practice of combining human flesh with tons of powerful metallic machines is barbaric IMNSHO. It should never have happened.

2) Light rail, possibly somewhat below or above street level, but not under the earth nor above the houses. The latter being ugly and expensive and the latter.... Well, apart from being expensive, metro/subway is also extremely unhealthy. After all we are primates, not moles. That to should never have been accepted by the public as being an ideal solution as many say. I rode subterranian trains for years and the horrible noise, the quality of the air, fluctuations in airpressure, lack of sunlight and over all claustrophobic conditions took a heavy toll on me.

ELM327

I worked there 15 years ago and it was the same problem then.

"Actually an easy and cheap adjustment would be for them to put a pedestrian and cyclist crossing across Promenade road, by Bond Road and open up a pedestrian and cyclist entrance to the back of the park by the Deutsche Bank buildings. That would put the back of the park in pretty easy walking distance of the Point Theatre Luas stop (about 10 minutes walk)."

Ah, it appears I'm not the only one with this idea!

https://issuu.com/retailnews/docs/dublin_port_yearbook_2021_for_issuu/s/11926427

The new route will include a dedicated bridge for cyclists and pedestrians to safely cross over the busy Promenade Road.

Sounds great.

"Single track from Conolly or somwhere around there. Tram goes there returns, then the next. Same track could be used for cargo except for rush-hours. Or cable car from Grand Canal.

I kind of understand they don't want to encoursage driving to work. But then they should have arranged for the tram to get there."

Well the Red Luas line (tram) already runs past Connolly and down to the Point Theatre, which is pretty close to the business park. They run a free shuttle bus from the point theatre Luas line to the business park.

Between that, the DART and now the N4 operating to it 24/7 and the new N2/58/71/72 bus routes to come and the nice new bike lanes being built in the area, it is probably one of the best connected business parks in the country. Sure it might not suit you, but it is definitely well served by public transport.

"Same track could be used for cargo except for rush-hours. Or cable car from Grand Canal."

FYI Luas/Tram can't share track with heavy rail as they use a different rail gauge (along with other differences). Luas uses European Gauge, while rail uses Irish gauge, basically different width between the tracks. Plus that piece of track you are talking about is already the most congested in Ireland, running DART, Commuter Rail, Intercity, etc. No way could it fit Luas, nor with it makes sense as you can just change to the DART for Clontarf Station.

Not that it matters as Luas already heads down that way. They currently plan on extending that Luas line from the Point Theatre, to cross the river into Poolbeg/Ringsend area. Though in future in Dublin Port gets developed, I could see another spur going down Dublin Port which would bring it closer to the business park.

Actually an easy and cheap adjustment would be for them to put a pedestrian and cyclist crossing across Promenade road, by Bond Road and open up a pedestrian and cyclist entrance to the back of the park by the Deutsche Bank buildings. That would put the back of the park in pretty easy walking distance of the Point Theatre Luas stop (about 10 minutes walk).

At the moment, that entire rear of the area is designed to be super pedestrian hostile. Some small changes would greatly improve it. Many people scurry across Promenade road as is, despite there being no pedestrian crossing there currently!

dybbuk

I kind of understand they don't want to encoursage driving to work. But then they should have arranged for the tram to get there.

Single track from Conolly or somwhere around there. Tram goes there returns, then the next. Same track could be used for cargo except for rush-hours. Or cable car from Grand Canal.

Glaceon

From working there I get the impression that they really don’t want people driving there and are making it more difficult.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058253998/parking-in-or-near-east-point-business-park

Same old story. I worked in East Point Business Park and it was the usual "waiting list / no guarantee". The parking in East Point never scaled even twenty years ago and the infantile mentality of the facilities departments about it is unhelpful. No parking close that I know of. Maybe bike it. Or use the DART/Shuttle. Or don't sign the contract and keep looking.

AngryLips

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119342259#Comment_119342259

Sorry, I mustn't have hit save. Am public now.

dybbuk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119343741#Comment_119343741

No. I can't find a way to DM you; your profile won't load, it's private.

AngryLips

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119342259#Comment_119342259

Fixed that, DMs open :)

Noxegon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119342015#Comment_119342015

I have to agree. I thought about a role with a commute like that at one point, but quickly realised that the opportunity wasn't worth the impact it would have had on my private life.

dybbuk

I think I understood. Thank you! That was actually meant to be the begininng of this discussion but, never mind the order, it looks like we've covered the subject.

Since they haven't mentionned the overflow nor bothered explaining or suggesting this process, they aren't planing on providing parking in overflow for me. I'll probably try them on Monday, but it doesn't look promising. Shame.

stoofer

Yes, it would be the company's HR that should sort out a parking sticker. Tell them that you'll be commuting by car and ask to be put on the waiting list (probably 2yrs+ - doesn't matter). They should take your reg details and issue you a parking sticker for your company and direct you to where overflow is located.

The overflow car park operates Mon-Fri from 6AM-9PM manned with a security guard. Perhaps, this has been scaled back post-pandemic. Eastpoint have a website with contact details so you could enquire there.

dybbuk

I tried to find out about the overflow car park, but didn't find a way to contact anybody. When inquiring with HR, they answered as above: waiting list, only temporary, not in your contract. So I am not sure now if what you describe is something independent from HR or have they denied me that already. I think it is the latter though. 10 min walk doesn't scare me, but I don't know if it is the solution. If I can park there, I'd surely try the commute. East Wall and DART is more of a hassle and it seems that we are at the end of the rope/thread here now.

stoofer

While there is a waiting list for the limited number of allocated parking spaces for each company within the business park, there's also an overflow car park located at the back of the business park which are general, unallocated spaces.

You'd still need for your employer to issue you a sticker/ log your car reg. but there's no waiting list to use it and it's max 10 min walk to any building from there

dybbuk

I can do that. Let's hope they break and give in... ...not.

Unfortunately, I am entirely dispensable.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119341177#Comment_119341177

Is threre a way to DM a private profile? We're stuck! One of us will have to 'go public" for a minute. So we need to find the moment.

Chris_5339762

My second response to it would be to leave this job. Thats a disaster of a commute, horrendously expensive in terms of diesel but also the M50 tolls will cripple you if you go that way, or if you plough through Dublin from the N11 you'll have the East Link x2 every day as well.

Noxegon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119341065#Comment_119341065

My response to that would be along the lines of "I'm sorry to hear that. I'm really excited by this opportunity, but without guaranteed parking I'm afraid I won't be in a position to take it up. If you change your position on this in the future then I'd love to chat again."

spurious

All day parkers get clamped regularly in LIDL East Wall.

I presume Aldi is worse, being enclosed in their building.

AngryLips

I have a free driveway I would consider renting out. DM me

dybbuk

When I inquired, they clearly said that prking isn't part of the employment contract.

Existential dread compelled me to considering taking the job in the first place. And procrastination might have brought it all about, or vice versa. At this stage I can't tell the chicken from the egg, making it irrelevant what came first.

Noxegon

Based on what you describe I think you'd need to make parking a condition of your contract.

Switching between car and the DART is fine in the summer and more or less okay in decent weather, but remember you're going to be trying to do this in winter and in heavy rain.

For what it's worth, the very thought of a commute over two hours fills me with existential dread.

dybbuk

I thought about parking there actually. I wasn't sure if there is free parking for non-locals and also worry that might vandalize my car. I have been threatened and called "foreign cnut" in a nearby area.

Even the idea of asking residents accured to me. But I wondered if that would come across as totaly abnormal and just have them call the guards on the foreign cnut I am. So it is very good to know that people did it and succeeded. Great! Thanks!

Even better would be to leave the car at Lidl or Aldi there. But there surely it would be towed eventually.

GAAcailin

there are a few roads down around East Wall which are residential (e.g. Church Road, Caledon Road), and parking is free. You'd be parking on the road outside someone's house and probably end up annoying some people. Other option is to stick a note in peoples doors offering a sum of money for use of their driveway. Friend did that and parked outside a house in Donnybrook and walked the rest of the way into Town - gave the house owner a fixed monthly fee.

Its about 15 minute walk from East Wall to East point

dybbuk

Thank you! It suprises me though: I read "only for DART customers everywhere. I am not sure how to make sure...

I will consider taking the DART, not as much because of the stress of driving, which to me is less than the stress of changing horses and sharing space though. I will consider the DART only because cars were never an economically much less environmentally sustainable solution. But the transit in Dublin is just so miserably organized, I think the only alternative to a car for me would be a bike, an e-bike or a motorcycle, but not feasable where a live anyway.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119331578#Comment_119331578

No need to buy a DART ticket, you just pay the parking fee which are listed here:

https://www.apcoaconnect.ie/locationDetail/?id=1425

Only issue might be what happens if the car park is full by the time you arrive. I don't know how busy it is at the moment.

Looks like APOCA also operate the car park at Booterstown and it is the same fee.

So at Booterstown it is parking fee + DART ticket, at Clontarf it would be parking fee + extra Diesel used to drive there.

Though again I'd consider the stress of trying to drive through the city center at rush hour versus just being able to relax/work on the DART.

mikeybhoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119331578#Comment_119331578

Afaik you can as the car park are managed by a separate company. Once you pay of course no real way of verifying if you're using the DART or not.

dybbuk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119330533#Comment_119330533

But isn't DART parking only available to their customers? Do you mean I could buy a DART ticket and park there? But then, wouldn't I be better off parking in Booterstown? Financially at least I definitely would be...