Covid vaccines - thread banned users in First Post

snowcat · 14-07-2022 11:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119339249#Comment_119339249

Ok Then. Discussion ended. The EPV's have made their point

Vaccine good. Any Dissenters? Conspiracy theorists and anti vaxxers. 93 % vaxxed and hospitalisations and transmission rampant. Vaccine is still great. OK then

14-07-2022 11:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119339257#Comment_119339257

But "epvs" don't exist.

And the fellows you describe as "moderate dissenters" believe that the vaccine is part of a plot to bring about the mark of the beast as described in the Bible.

And again no one I know has had any severe reactions to the vaccines. I don't know anyone who's died from covid either. So again according to your line of argument that proves the vaccine is safe and effective.

snowcat · 14-07-2022 11:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119339345#Comment_119339345

They do though. You are one of them. Your nemesis would be someone like the long lost buzzer, either way you are an extreme pro vaxxer. We can take you off that list if you acknowledge that at least one person might have died from taking the vaccine directly. Probably not going to happen though.

14-07-2022 11:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119339372#Comment_119339372

But why would I be "extreme" while folks who are claiming stuff about the mark of the beast are "moderate".

That's a very skewed scale in the same way as illustrated by your favourite analogy.

I guess I'm an "extreme round earther" because I don't subscribe to the "moderate position" that the Bible is inerrantly correct.

snowcat · 14-07-2022 11:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119339345#Comment_119339345

Ah now come on. You have spent 307 pages defending a poor vaccine that has left us where we are with Covid and you dont regard yourself an EPV.

14-07-2022 11:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119339404#Comment_119339404

No. As I've kept explaining to you, there's no such thing as EPVs.

I don't consider my position extreme when we've folks talking about biblical prophesies and magnetic vaccines.

We've also spend 307 pages with extreme anti vaxxers failing to show the safety issues they keep claiming are obvious.

snowcat · 15-07-2022 12:01AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119339412#Comment_119339412

Yes there is..again you are the definition of one. Like it or not. And again I am not an anti vaxxer, I am a big fan of vaccines, not the mRNA ones but generally yes they are great. And for the umteenth time these mRNA vaxxes they seem ok, Yes there is some serious reactions that have killed people but in general they seem to have reduced direct deaths from Covid. My beef with any GMO product is messing with nature generally never goes well. It might take a while but it usually comes back to bite us

15-07-2022 12:09AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119339444#Comment_119339444

You literally just described a person claiming Mark of the beast stuff as a "moderate thinker".

And as we've established since I don’t know anyone that had any severe effects from the vaccine, there are no severe effects to worry about. (If there's something wrong with this line of logic, please point it out.)

Fr0g · 15-07-2022 08:49AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119334239#Comment_119334239

This is just whataboutery and has nothing to do with the discussion.

Fr0g · 15-07-2022 08:54AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119335019#Comment_119335019

Where did Fergal Bowers get his medical degree from? Yet people hang on his every word.

It didn't ring true for me. Okay? Believe it or not I am not the type that blindly accepts everything I'm told. I question everything.

Fr0g · 15-07-2022 08:56AM

Here is an interview with a HSE doctor who has to remain anonymous because of the repercussions if he spoke out publicly. Bizarre as that is.

It's pretty much in line with my thinking and observations

https://westawake.substack.com/p/my-interview-with-a-hse-covid-consultant

15-07-2022 09:08AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119339948#Comment_119339948

No it's pretty central to the discussion that what you are posting wouldnt be allowed on a forum with standards of evidence.

The fact you aren't able to just admit this honestly and directly and you've spend the last dozen pages or so doing everything except answering it is also relevant as it shows just how dishonest and evasive conspiracy theorists are.

What would be very on top would be an actual response to the paper you falsely claimed was fraudulent. But you are now trying to dodge and deflect away from that.

15-07-2022 09:09AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119339986#Comment_119339986

So completely unverifiable fake news that you've done nothing to check into that you believed instantly and unquestioningly the second you read it from Twitter because it lines up with your conspiracy theory world view.

bad2thebone · 15-07-2022 09:11AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119339974#Comment_119339974

Same here, I don't trust everything I hear. Maybe the big elephant in the room is who's responsible.

Was it from the wet markets,bats,or a lab leek.

astrofool · 15-07-2022 12:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119339055#Comment_119339055

Yep, and you're still misunderstanding what that sentence means :)

Anyway, if you were that confident you'd agree that proven trial efficacy means you were wrong and I can point you at the posted data you missed/misread, but you're not, so everyone can dismiss your argument as you don't really believe it anymore either.

hometruths · 15-07-2022 12:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119340989#Comment_119340989

Yep, and you're still misunderstanding what that sentence means :)

So you keep saying. But you have not actually said what you think it means, or why you think I am wrong in my understanding.

I think it means that based on the available limited data no reliable conclusion on the efficacy of the vaccine against severe COVID-19 can be drawn from 7 days after the second dose.

I am certain it does not mean that the data was extremely comprehensive and the efficacy against severe COVID-19 was proven.

15-07-2022 01:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119341024#Comment_119341024

Lol Massively hypocritical post.

astrofool · 15-07-2022 03:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119341024#Comment_119341024

It does not mean that, if you are prepared to admit you are wrong when proven efficacy is shown, then myself and others can show you have built your fantasy on nothing.

Every other time you are proven wrong you skip off to some other fantasy, here you need to understand the conditions first.

I've no doubt you would come back with a 4th name, but that's neither here nor there.

You are again in a cul-de-sac of your own making.

hometruths · 15-07-2022 03:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119341862#Comment_119341862

if you are prepared to admit you are wrong when proven efficacy is shown

I'll be the first to admit I have no idea what this means. You have not shown proven efficacy!! That's the point.

Hence why I am sticking with the regulators view that the estimates of efficacy were unreliable! For all the vaccines, not just Pfizer.

This is not a complex argument, no matter how much you try to make it so.

15-07-2022 04:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119341862#Comment_119341862

He still hasn't responded to when I provided the last thing he demanded. He made a big stink about me not providing it initially. I then explained to him why it wouldn't be worth the time and effort to do so for him as he'd just start ignoring and dodging the second I did.

Guess what happened when I pointed out what he was asking for?

astrofool · 15-07-2022 07:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119341956#Comment_119341956

It's not complex at all, if you are happy to concede if proven efficacy was shown and promise not to spin off elsewhere.

hometruths · 15-07-2022 08:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119342821#Comment_119342821

In the regulators opinion, the estimates of efficacy against severe disease were not proven. The estimates were in fact unreliable due to insufficient data on severity.

It's not a question of conceding something. The regulators were unambiguous. For some reason you think you know better thanks to your back of the envelope calculations.

Fr0g · 15-07-2022 08:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119340020#Comment_119340020

Since you are incapable of any kind of critical thinking here is an article from hart group describing the many ways in which it is wrong

https://www.hartgroup.org/imperial-fantasy-of-20-million-lives-saved/

Dohnjoe · 15-07-2022 09:01PM

Jesus, nearly 500 posts since I last checked this

Vaccines still overwhelmingly safe and effective, most of the country jabbed, including medical professionals, no one has ever explained any credible conspiracy. The handful of individuals "just asking questions" about vaccines on a conspiracy theory forum are absolutely not looking for real answers.

Fr0g · 15-07-2022 09:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119340027#Comment_119340027

It is broadly in line with my thoughts about the whole thing from the beginning. It confirms everything that I have been saying and thinking all along.

I didn't get it from Twitter. You seem to have a strange obsession with Twitter. As if you can somehow use it to ridicule every piece of information. Every MSM outlet in the world uses Twitter. Does that mean I can simply deny all of current affairs because it's a "twitter dump"?

hometruths · 15-07-2022 09:51PM

The latest weekly report to the minister confirms the continuing trend of the pandemic of the vaccinated:

According to National Office of Clinical Audit (NOCA) data as of 5 th July 2022, where vaccination status was known (N=31), 3% of COVID-19 cases in ICU were unvaccinated and 97% were fully vaccinated. Of those COVID-19 cases in ICU who were fully vaccinated, 83% were recorded as having received a booster/additional dose.

Given that 85% of the eligible population is fully vaccinated, clearly at 97% the fully vaccinated are disproportionately represented in ICU.

odyssey06 · 15-07-2022 10:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119343429#Comment_119343429

Disproportionately represented?

Control for age breakdown in the typical admissions to ICU versus the general population before you post an utterly dishonest and deliberate misrepresentation of the data.

Do these breakdowns reflect the age breakdowns of unvaccinated in the general population?

As of 5th July 2022, the age breakdown of cases hospitalised for COVID-19 (N=554): 220 (40%) aged 80 and older, 182 (33%) aged 65-79, 83 (15%) aged 50-64, 54 (10%) aged 15-49 and 15 (3%) aged 0-14 years old.

15-07-2022 10:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119343167#Comment_119343167

Why would I care what the Hart group says?

You believe that the paper is wrong and fraudulent. Why was it published in the Lancet if that's the case?

Still deflecting from the question.

I will take that you are conceding it and admitting you know well why you're relegated to posting this shite here and not in a science forum or medical forum.

15-07-2022 10:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119343222#Comment_119343222

Yup. You believe it because it tells you what you want to hear. You did nothing to verify it.

If you didn't get it from Twitter, be honest and tell us where you found it.

hometruths · 15-07-2022 10:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119343509#Comment_119343509

Yes, the fully vaccinated are disproportionately represented in ICU. An irrefutable fact.

But I have been saying on here repeatedly that the highest risk factor for a trip to ICU is not your vaccination status, but rather your age and underlying health. Hence I totally agree with your opinion that quoting ICU numbers by vaccination status is an utterly dishonest and deliberate misrepresentation of the data.

Unfortunately it is very common. For example: https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0316/1286859-hse-briefing/

The Chief Clinical Officer of the HSE said 37% of patients in ICU have not completed their primary course of vaccination.

Speaking at a HSE briefing, Dr Colm Henry said those who are unvaccinated or not fully vaccinated are disproportionately represented in those who are seriously ill.

Sadly up until now arguing that these numbers need to be considered in terms of age and underlying health has fallen on deaf ears.

But good to see the penny has finally dropped despite the persistent utterly dishonest and deliberate misrepresentation of the data.

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